'The Pirate Bay' Acquired, Going legit
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Topic: 'The Pirate Bay' Acquired, Going legit
Posted By: Flightboy
Subject: 'The Pirate Bay' Acquired, Going legit
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 7:53pm
No joke! |
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Posted By: Aircraft Aviation
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:03pm
IMHO, this site should've been shut down long ago. Can't belive it's now legit! They were pirating all kinds of software! ------------- http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3698"> 
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Posted By: Magic Man
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:16pm
They (TPB) were not pirating anything.
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Aircraft Aviation wrote:Posted By: Matt N
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:20pm
Torrents are just coming up I'd say. Now people are getting faster Internet access, file sharing is getting better. Take ASUS for example, their average download speed when downloading their Express Gate is ~8KB/Sec, with the file sharing I got 500KB/Sec. Seems like the way forward, it takes the load off of servers supplying large downloads.
The Pirate Bay wasn't actually pirating anything, but they was promoting it. There servers were there just for the torrents, the pirate software was sitting on people's PC's. Also from what I can remember reading, there was also alot of non-pirate software being shared, legal freeware.
Matt. ------------- Originally Posted by MartinW I use mine for spare knickers when I'm traveling. |
Posted By: MarkH
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:22pm
Sad day if it's true but many more sites to choose from . AHAAAAARRR ME HARTIEEESSS!!!  |
Posted By: 737Chris
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:29pm
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Suprised nobody has noticed MagicMans perfectly good point. TPB were not pirating anything strictly speaking. I liked TPB to be honest. someone had the balls to show their middle finger to these rip-off companies. unfortunately the smaller companies to get effected. . . .but meh. ------------- Generic forum signature |
Posted By: Magic Man
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:30pm
Don't think you can say they were promoting it neither really...
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Posted By: MarkH
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:31pm
 Back me up Pointy  .'who uses torrents anyway? seems a old technology!' Yeh, right  Cheers, Mark.  |
Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:49pm
Sadly we have already lost PSS and others to the impact that piracy had on their business. Anyone else think that $8 million seems a paltry amount for a website with some much traffic and software distribution? The reason is as soon as these sorts of sites go legit it is usually the end of them in terms of hits etc. Look at Kazaa and Napster. Years back they were huge but as soon as they get in trouble and have to go straight they fade away into nothing... As for piracy in general my own opinion is that music is massively overpriced. I don't feel that having a number one album should earn someone enough to buy a private jet and retire for the rest of their life. Especially when most of the music around is toshed out by the likes of Simon Cowl and his ilk who make millions but put the "stars" themselves on 25k a year contracts (like Girls Aloud in the beginning). For me, if someone wants to make big money they need enough talent to be able to go out on tour and fill clubs and halls like it was in the old days. Nobody will ever be able to put the lid back on the bottle with piracy now so perhaps it will eventually end up where people release their music for free and make their money from commerical stations and touring. Probably no bad thing in my book. However, and this is a big however. Films and computer games are a different kettle of fish as they are vastly more expensive to make than music. The less money the studios can expect to make just leads to lower quality productions due to smaller budgets. Producing titles such as Call of Duty and Grand Theft requires millions of pounds of investment and huge teams of people. Enjoy the current wave of quality films and games that are around at the moment as piracy will eventually kill off or scale back what it's possible to produce... As much as I did enjoy reading TPB's letters to MS and the like, I do want to gauge their eyes out with a rusty spoon when I see our very modest flight sims being downloaded thousands of times which just puts my livelihood at risk |
Posted By: Flightboy
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 8:57pm
When letters start being sent from ISPs and more claims are made by companys who have your IP address downloading their software it ill become even more so ( saw that on watchdog )Flightboy |
Posted By: Aircraft Aviation
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:01pm
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What I meant about my earlier comment was, is that they were hosting alot of pirated software. So, technically speaking, TPB was allowing pirated material to be dished out. ------------- http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3698">
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Posted By: MarkH
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:01pm
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'Wel when letters start being send from ISPs and claims but companys who
have you IP address download their software it ill become even more so' What? Sorry don't understand. |
Posted By: VulcanB2
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:08pm
+1 I don't see Google being shutdown for infringement... As I demonstrated recently, TPB made available torrents to perfectly legal stuff, too, and that they worked just like a search engine, only tailored to software, not things in general. Bet I can find a ripped-off copy of Vista or FSX via Google... Best regards, Vulcan. |
Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:19pm
| I don't think that argument holds much water. Sort of like someone handing someone a knife so they can go stab one but claiming they haven't knowingly contributed to the crime. They are called "Pirate Bay" after all. If someone opened a website called "Child Porn Bay" for perverts to post links to pictures of whatever they liked (cars, wildlife snaps, indecent images of under-5s etc) I'm sure people would consider them to be committing a crime, even though they aren't hosting any material themselves? |
Posted By: Magic Man
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:20pm
Nope. They weren't hosting any pirated software.
They managed and provided tracker links to files that users hosted, whatever that may be.
As Vulcan said, you'll find plenty of similar links with a simple Google search.
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Posted By: Chock
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:39pm
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The name says it all, they chose it deliberately with the intention of facilitating illicit activity. There is no way the domain would have been worth that cash if it had been called 'The file transfer bay' or something like that. Anyone who thinks they were not doing something wrong ought to look up 'aiding and abetting': AIDING AND ABETTING - The guilt of a person in a criminal case may be proved without evidence that he personally did every act involved in the commission of the crime charged. The law recognizes that, ordinarily, anything a person can do for himself may also be accomplished through direction of another person as an agent, or by acting together with, or under the direction of, another person or persons in a joint effort. So, if the acts or conduct of an agent, employee or other associate of the person are willfully directed or authorized by the person, or if the person aids and abets another person by willfully joining together with that person in the commission of a crime, then the law holds the person responsible for the conduct of that other person just as though the person had engaged in such conduct himself. Al |
Posted By: Aircraft Aviation
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 9:45pm
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Thats what I mean by 'hosting' (I agree, hosting wasn't a very accurate description).
I was saying that TPB were directing people to pirated content (even if they were the direct distributors of the pirated software) - so they are still to blame for some extreme piracy on the web.
It's like telling someone how to 'do something illeagal' - but not actually accepting any blame due to the fact that they, technically speaking are not actaully helping the commiter of an illeagal act firectly. (Sorry if this is a poor example).
And also, like RAS said their name says it all - The Pirate Bay ------------- http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3698">
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 10:05pm
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@Mark Hudson: So are you admitting you download pirated software/music? I hope that doesn't apply to FS software too...
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Posted By: 737Chris
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 10:18pm
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I like TPB (i think most people have used it, although I could be wrong) Maybe I have used it? Maybe not  Regarding the posts earlier to do with the legality: "I don't think that argument holds much water. Sort of like someone handing someone a knife so they can go stab one but claiming they haven't knowingly contributed to the crime. They are called "Pirate Bay" after all. If someone opened a website called "Child Porn Bay" for perverts to post links to pictures of whatever they liked (cars, wildlife snaps, indecent images of under-5s etc) I'm sure people would consider them to be committing a crime, even though they aren't hosting any material themselves?" I think that is a good point, but also a good example of a very interesting & complex subject, by which I am refering to "Law & Morality" Although his argument might not seem to hold water, in Law it might be a different case. People can get away with MORALLY wrong crimes because they are on paper completely within the law. ------------- Generic forum signature |
Posted By: MarkH
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2009 at 10:38pm
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'@Mark Hudson: So are you admitting you download pirated software/music? I hope that doesn't apply to FS software too...' Who, me? What gave you that idea? But to clarify, I have never downloaded FS software.Regards, Mark. |
Posted By: johnsmithfsx
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 12:37am
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GOOD! I'm tired of these file sharing sites! They make it so that those who refuse to work and earn their luxuries can still get whatever they want! They do serious financial harm to companies. I pay for my software and hardware. I work hard to earn the money in order to pay for it. How is it fair to me (the honest one) that someone else can just get the same stuff for free?! It ticks me off of course! Then there are those that will encourage their friends to download these addons off of torrents. They act as though it's no big deal. The way I see it, if you like a payware addon or software, help the company that made it by fairly paying the bill so that they can create more like it. ------------- 
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Posted By: VulcanB2
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 2:55am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8123989.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8123989.stm Hmm - not sure.
So do pirates. Ever listened to an artist you haven't heard before on the radio (for free), then gone out and bought the CD? The same with piracy in most cases (80%+). Don't believe the crap coming from the usual bodies. There will always be a group that will only ever pirate, and never buy anything, but you also get robbers, car theives, fraudsters... It's no different. Radio 4 ran a great documentary on Bootleg CDs and the history of litigation in the music/movie industry. Labels are run by suits, not by music fans. They hate artists that self-publish, and distribute music for ree online because itr undermines their rip-off ways (not just the listerner, but the artist, too - they hardly make anything whilst the label takes the biggest cut). Remember the incident when Prince had "Slave" tattooed on his cheek? Best regards, Vulcan. |
Posted By: Flightboy
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 3:11am
I posted a link on here before that was rather suprising in the fact it said the people who download albums actually brought MORE cds than the people that didnt. I think in this age with ISPs keeping track of what your doing when your online ( whether they admit it or not ) pirate bay was on its way out anyway. And i agree vulcan, i have watched lots of shows on youtube and later gone and got the boxset ( i can think of destonation truth, myth busters, monster quest and loads of others ) and heard many a songs online from a album and gone and brought it based on that, is it really that bad? Flightboy |
Posted By: VulcanB2
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 3:14am
No. The problem is that online is not the cash-cow CD sales are. I can buy a movie online from iTunes at £3.99, yet the same thing would cost me £15 in HMV. Any way you slice it, iTunes will make less money than the DVD sale. There are time though when you can't beat boxed versions. Take the complete West Wing series - £49 in HMV, £49 per season in iTunes (7x as much!!!). I noticed that iTunes dropped the price after people (including myself) went nuts in the comments section over "buy it from HMV"!! EDIT: As of right now: Season 1 - £19.99, Season 3 - £24.99, Season 4 onwards - £31.99. Hmmm........   Best regards, Vulcan. |