The Aircraft Performance Thread!!
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Topic: The Aircraft Performance Thread!!
Posted By: Slopey
Subject: The Aircraft Performance Thread!!
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 8:33am
If you import Aircarft into AirHauler, and have found more performance data on the net for that aircraft, please post it in here to help other pilots and save them having to find it :)
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Posted By: BradS
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 1:23pm
DeHaviland DHC6 Twin Otter (Model 100 - 300)
- http://www.zimex.ch/media/7485/aircraft_spec_twinotter.pdf - DHC-6 Specification Sheet
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/a9ea.pdf - FAA's Type Certification datasheet :
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-6_Twin_Otter - WikiPedia
- http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/aircraft_otter.htm - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
There are some variances between the above sources, but are fairly small.
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Posted By: BradS
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 1:30pm
Pilatus PC-12
- http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/media/Pilatus-PC-12-Just-The-Facts.pdf - Pilatus Factory Specification Sheet
- http://www.scribd.com/doc/12645282/Technical-Description-PC12 - ePaper Specification Sheet
While these are for the PC-12NG, they are fairly equivalent to the currently flying PC-12's.
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 8:30pm
Performance Data - Manufacturer List for :
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listAeronca.shtml - Aeronca
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listAerospatiale-Socata.shtml - Aerospatiale - Socata
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listAerostar.shtml - Aerostar
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listAmericanChampion.shtml - American Champion
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listAmericanGeneral.shtml - American General / Grumman
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listBeech.shtml - Beechcraft
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listBellanca.shtml - Bellanca
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listCessna.shtml - Cessna
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listCommander.shtml - Commander
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listLake.shtml - Lake
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listLuscombe.shtml - Luscombe
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listMaule.shtml - Maule
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listMooney.shtml - Mooney
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listPiper.shtml - Piper
- http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/listPZL.shtml - PZL
I will put more ASAP! ;)
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Posted By: mutley
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 8:35pm
Excellent post Herege
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:13pm
General Technical Characteristics for 747 Family:
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/747-8_fact_sheet.html - 747-8
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400_prod.html - 747-400
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400er_prod.html - 747-400ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400f_prod.html - 747-400 Freighter
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400erf_prod.html - 747-400ER Freighter
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400sf_prod.html - 747-400 Boeing Converted Freighter
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400c_prod.html - 747-400 Combi
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_domestic_prod.html - 747-400 Domestic
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_classics.html#300 - 747-300
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_classics.html#200 - 747-200
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_classics.html - 747-100
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:15pm
General Technical Characteristics for 767 Family:
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_200prod.html - 767-200ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_300prod.html - 767-300ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_400prod.html - 767-400ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_300f_prod.html - 767-300 Freighter
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:17pm
General Technical Characteristics 777 Family:
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.html - 777-200/-200ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_300product.html - 777-300
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.html - Longer-Range 777s
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_freighter_product.html - 777 Freighter
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:23pm
General Technical Characteristics 737 Family:
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_600tech.html - 737-600
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_700tech.html - 737-700
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_700ctech.html - 737-700C
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/737-700ER/tech.html - 737-700ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_800tech.html - 737-800
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_900ERtech.html - 737-900ER
- http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/plan_manuals.html - Out-of-Production Models
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:26pm
General Techical Characteristics 787 Dreamliner Family:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-3prod.html - 787-3 Dreamliner
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html - 787-8 Dreamliner
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-9prod.html - 787-9 Dreamliner
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:30pm
Airbus A400M
Data from Airbus Military specifications:
General characteristics
- Crew: 3 or 4 (2 pilots, 3rd optional, 1 loadmaster)
- Capacity:
- 37,000 kg (82,000 lb)
- 116 fully equipped troops / paratroops,
- up to 66 stretchers accompanied by 25 medical personnel
- Length: 43.8 m (143 ft 8 in)
- Wingspan: 42.4 m (139 ft 1 in)
- Height: 14.6 m (47 ft 11 in)
- Empty weight: 70 tonnes (154,000 lb)
- Max takeoff weightt: 141 tonnes (310,852 lb)
- Powerplant: 4× EuroProp International TP4000-D6 turboprop, 8,250 kW (11,000 hp) each
- Total Internal Fuel: 46.7 tonnes (103,000 lb)
- Max. Landing Weight: 114 tonnes (251,000 lb)
Performance
- Cruise speed: 780 km/h (420 kt, 485 mph Mach 0.68 - 0.72)
- Initial Cruise Altitude: at MTOW: 9,000 m (29,000 ft))
- Range: 3,300 km (1,782 nmi) at max payload (long range cruise speed; reserves as per MIL-C-5011A)
- Range at 30-tonne payload: 4,800 km (2,592 nmi)
- Range at 20-tonne payload: 6,950 km (3,753 nmi)
- Ferry range: 9,300 km (5,022 nmi)
- Service ceiling: 11,300 m (37,000 ft)
Maximum Operating Altitude: 12,000 m (40,000 ft)
- Tactical Takeoff Distance: 940 m (3,080 ft) (aircraft weight 100 tonnes, soft field, ISA, sea level)
- Tactical Landing Distance: 625 m (2,050 ft) (as above)
- Turning Radius (Ground): 28.6 m
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Posted By: chelseamad
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:36pm
Great work Herege it is much appreciated.
Steve
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:43pm
Lancastrian C.1
General characteristics
- Crew: 5
- Capacity: 9 passengers
- Payload: 3,560 kg of mail ()
- Length: 76 ft 10 in (23.4 m)
- Wingspan: 102 ft (31.1 m)
- Height: 19 ft 6 in (5.9 m)
- Wing area: 1,297 ft² (120.5 m²)
- Empty weight: 30,426 lb (13,800 kg)
- Loaded weight: 65,000 lb (29,480 kg)
- Powerplant: 4× Rolls Royce Merlin 12 piston, 1,250 hp (930 kW) each
Performance
- Maximum speed: 310 mph at 5,000 ft (500 km/h at 1,520 m)
- Range: 4,150 miles (6,680 km)
- Service ceiling: 23,000 ft (7,000 m)
- Rate of climb: 750 ft/min (230 m/min)
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:45pm
Specifications Avro Lancaster
General characteristics
- Crew: 7: pilot, flight engineer, navigator, bomb aimer, wireless operator, mid-upper and rear gunners
- Length: 69 ft 5 in (21.18 m)
- Wingspan: 102 ft (31.09 m)
- Height: 19 ft 7 in (5.97 m)
- Wing area: 1,300 ft² (120 m²)
- Empty weight: 36 828 lb (16,705 kg)
- Loaded weight: 63,000 lb (29,000 kg)
- Powerplant: 4× Rolls-Royce Merlin XX V12 engines, 1,280 hp (954 kW) each
Performance
- Maximum speed: 240 knots (280 mph, 450 km/h) at 15,000 ft (5,600 m)
- Range: 2,700 NM (3,000 mi, 4,600 km) with minimal bomb load
- Service ceiling: 23,500 ft (8,160 m)
- Wing loading: 48 lb/ft² (240 kg/m²)
- Power/mass: 0.082 hp/lb (130 W/kg)
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:47pm
Specifications (Avro York)
Data from Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II General characteristics
- Crew: 5 (two pilots, navigator, wireless operator, cabin steward)
- Capacity: 56 passengers
- Payload: 20,000 lb (9100 kg)
- Length: 78 ft 6 in (23.9 m)
- Wingspan: 102 ft 0 in (31.1 m)
- Height: 16 ft 6 in (5 m)
- Wing area: 1,297 ft² (120.5 m²)
- Empty weight: 40,000 lb (18,150 kg)
- Loaded weight: 65,000 lb (29,480 kg)
- Powerplant: 4× Rolls-Royce Merlin 24 liquid-cooled V12 engines, 1,280 hp (950 kW) each
Performance
- Maximum speed: 298 mph (258 knots, 479 km/h) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
- Range: 3,000 mi (2,600 nm, 4,800 km)
- Service ceiling: 23,000 ft (7,010 m)
- Rate of climb: 820 ft/min (4.2 m/s)
- Wing loading: 54 lb/ft² (260 kg/m²)
- Power/mass: 0.079 hp/lb (130 W/kg)
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:49pm
Specifications: Super Guppy Turbine
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General characteristics
- Crew: Four
- Length: 143 ft 10 in (43.84 m)
- Wingspan: 156 ft 3 in (47.625 m)
- Height: 46 ft 5 in (14.148 m)
- Empty weight: 101,500 lb (46,039 kg)
- Useful load: 54,500 lb (24,720 kg)
- Max takeoff weight: 170,000 lb (77,110 kg)
- Powerplant: 4× Allison 501-D22C turboprops, 4,680 hp (3,491 kW) each
- * Cargo bay dimensions: 111 ft x 25 ft x 25 ft (33.8 m x 7.62 m x 7.62 m)
Performance
- Cruise speed: 252 knots (288 mph, 467 km/h)
- Range: 1,734 nm (1,986 mi, 3,219 km)
- Service ceiling: 32,000 ft (9,753.6 m)
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:53pm
Airbus A380 and A380F
Measurement |
A380-800 |
A380-800F |
Cockpit crew |
Two |
Seating capacity |
525 (3-class) 644 (2-class) 853 (1-class) |
12 couriers |
Length |
73 m (240 ft) |
Span |
79.8 m (262 ft) |
Height |
24.1 m (79 ft) |
Wheelbase |
30.4 m (100 ft) |
Outside fuselage width |
7.14 m (23.4 ft) |
Cabin width |
6.58 m (21.6 ft) for Main deck 5.92 m (19.4 ft) for Upper deck |
Wing area |
845 m2 (9,100 sq ft) |
Wing sweep |
33.5° |
Operating empty weight |
276,800 kg (610,000 lb) |
252,200 kg (556,000 lb) |
Maximum take-off weight |
560,000 kg (1,200,000 lb) |
590,000 kg (1,300,000 lb) |
Maximum payload |
90,800 kg (200,000 lb) |
152,400 kg (336,000 lb) |
Cruising speed |
Mach 0.85 (903 km/h, 561 mph, 487 knots) |
Maximum cruising speed |
Mach 0.89 (945 km/h, 587 mph, 510 knots) |
Maximum speed |
Mach 0.96 (1020 km/h, 634 mph, 551 knots) |
Take off run at MTOW |
2,750 m (9,000 ft) |
2,900 m (9,500 ft) |
Range at design load |
15,200 km (8,200 nmi, 9,400 mi) |
10,400 km (5,600 nmi, 6,400 mi) |
Service ceiling |
13,115 m (43,030 ft) |
Maximum fuel capacity |
310,000 l (81,890 US gal, 68,200 imp gal) |
310,000 l (81,890 US gal, 68,200 imp gal), 356,000 l (94,000 US gal, 78,300 imp gal) option |
Engines (4 x) |
GP7270 (A380-861) Trent 970/B (A380-841) Trent 972/B(A380-842) |
GP7277 (A380-863F) Trent 977/B (A380-843F) |
Thrust (4 x) |
311 kN (70,000 lbf) | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380F -
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:55pm
Measurement |
A300-600ST BELUGA |
Length |
56.15 m (184 ft. 3 in.) |
Span |
44.84 m. (147 ft. 2 in.) |
Height |
17.24 m. (56 ft. 7 in.) |
Wing area |
122.40 m². (1,317 ft².) |
Fuselage diameter |
3.95 m. (13 ft.) 7.1 m. (23 ft. 4 in.)in cargo compartment |
Weight empty |
86.0 t. |
Maximum take-off weight |
155 t. |
Range (40 ton payload) |
2,779 km. (1500 nm.) |
Range (26 ton payload) |
4,632 km. (2500 nm.) |
Engines |
GE CF6-80C2A8 |
Cargo capacity |
47 t. |
Cargo volume |
1,210m³ |
Cockpit Crew |
Two |
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Posted By: BradS
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:56pm
The specific performance information that is needed is:
- Cruise Speed (knots)
- Fuel Consumption (Gallons/hour)
- Range (nautical miles)
- Vfe - maximum speed flaps extension
- Vle - maximum speed landing gear
You may need to dig around in the sources given here in this thread to find this specific info.
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 10:57pm
Specifications (An-225)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An-225_3-view.png -
Data from Vectorsite, Antonov's Heavy Transports
General characteristics
- Crew: 6
- Payload: 250,000 kg (550,000 lb)
- Door dimensions: 440 x 640 cm (14.4 x 21.0 ft)
- Length: 84 m (275.6 ft)
- Wingspan: 88.40 m (290 ft 2 in)
- Height: 18.1 m (59.3 ft)
- Wing area: 905.0 m² (9,743.7 ft²)
- Cargo Volume: 1300 m³ (45913.8 ft³)
- Empty weight: 175,000 kg (385,800 lb)
- Max takeoff weight: 600,000 kg (1,323,000 lb)
- Powerplant: 6× ZMKB Progress D-18 turbofans, 229.5 kN (51,600 lbf) each
- Takeoff run: 3,500 m (11,500 ft) with maximum payload
Performance
- Maximum speed: 850 km/h (460 knots, 530 mph)
- Cruise speed: 800 km/h (430 knots, 500 mph)
- Range:
- With maximum fuel: 15,400 km (9,570 mi)
- With maximum payload: 4,000 km (2,500 mi)
- Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,100 ft)
- Wing loading: 662.9 kg/m² (135.5 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 0.234
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 11:04pm
Type Make / Model |
Max Payload Tonnes |
Max Loadable Volume CBM3 |
Cargo Hold Dims LxWxH cm |
Cargo Door Size WxH cm |
Beech 200 Kingair |
1.2 |
5 |
280 x 124 x 138 |
132 x 138 |
Cessna 406 Titan |
1.2 |
6.5 |
320 x 120 x 117 |
124 x 116 |
Fairchild Metroliner II |
1.4 |
12 |
835 x 115 x 120 |
130 x 132 |
Fairchild Metroliner III |
2.1 |
12 |
775 x 158 x 145 |
130 x 132 |
Fairchild Metroliner 23 |
2.3 |
18 |
775 x 158 x 145 |
127 x 132 |
Falcon 20 / 200 |
2.5 |
11 |
704 x 156 x 142 |
190 x 140 |
Shorts 360 |
3.5 |
40 |
815 x 190 x 190 |
142 x 168 |
Aerospatiale ATR42 |
4.6 |
40 |
1080 x 225 x 143 |
125 x 153 |
Fokker 27 |
6 |
58 |
1336 x 210 x 190 |
228 x 175 |
Antonov AN-26 |
6.5 |
45 |
1110 x 220 x 160 |
230 x 171 |
Antonov AN-74 |
6.5 |
45 |
1000 x 215 x 220 |
226 x 220 |
British Aerospace ATP |
8.2 |
78 |
1500 x 195 x 180 |
250 x 169 |
Boeing 737-200F |
15 |
105 |
2100 x 310 x 220 |
340 x 215 |
Lockheed L-188 Electra |
15 |
135 |
2000 x 280 x 220 |
355 x 203 |
Antonov AN-12 |
18 |
90 |
1380 x 300 x 250 |
300 x 250 |
Lockheed L-100 Hercules |
21 |
140 |
1707 x 302 x 274 |
302 x 274 |
Boeing 727-200F |
23.5 |
144 |
2712 x 351 x 218 |
340 x 218 |
Boeing 757F |
39 |
187 |
3327 x 353 x 218 |
340 x 218 |
Douglas DC8-54/55 |
41 |
180 |
3100 x 317 x 203 |
355 x 215 |
Airbus A300 B4F |
43.5 |
280 |
3900 x 477 x 223 |
358 x 256 |
Ilyushin IL-76 |
45 |
180 |
1850 x 345 x 325 |
344 x 340 |
Douglas DC8-62 |
45 |
200 |
3400 x 317 x 203 |
355 x 215 |
Antonov AN-22 |
50 |
650 |
2640 x 430 x 430 |
430 x 430 |
Lockheed L10-11 Tristar |
55 |
420 |
3300 x 360 x 274 |
431 x 284 |
Boeing 767-300F |
60 |
454 |
3000 x 400 x 250 |
340 x 254 |
Douglas DC10-30 |
65 |
451 |
3725 x 356 x 234 |
350 x 260 |
McDonnell Douglas MD11 |
80 |
642 |
4800 x 350 x 245 |
355 x 259 |
Boeing 747-100F |
96 |
724 |
4800 x 317 x 304 |
340 x 312 |
Boeing 747-200F |
110 |
725 |
4900 x 317 x 304 |
340 x 312 |
Boeing 747-300/400F |
120 |
764 |
5000 x 317 x 304 |
340 x 312 |
Antonov AN-124 |
120 |
800 |
3650 x 640 x 440 |
640 x 440 |
Antonov AN-225 |
250 |
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 11:06pm
Is not easy find all info that we need, like you point: 2), 4), and 5). But I think this can help many of us to setup some needed infor for our cargo aircrafts.
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 11:17pm
Specifications (SHORTS 360-100)
- Crew: Three (Two pilots plus one cabin crew)
- Capacity: 36 passengers
- Length: 70 ft 10 in (21.59 m)
- Wingspan 22.78 m (74 ft 10 in)
- Heigh: 4.95 m (16 ft 3 in)
- Wing area: 42.1 m² (544 ft²)
- Airfoil: NACA 63 series (modified)
- Empty weight: 16,900 lb (6,440 kg)
- Max takeoff weight: 26,000 lb (10,387 kg)
Performance
- Maximum speed: 352 km/h (190 kn, 218 mph) (at 3,050 m (10,000 ft))
- Cruise speed: 296 km/h (160 kn, 184 mph)
- Stall speed: 136 km/h (73 kn, 85 mph) (flaps and landing gear down)
- Range: 1,239 km (915 NM, 770 mi) (no reserves, passenger version, 1,966 kg payload)
- Service ceiling: 3,500 m (11,500 ft)
- Rate of climb: 60 m/s (2,100 ft/min)
- Wing loading: 247 kg/m² (50.6 lb/ft²)
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2009 at 11:37pm
CURTISS C-46 COMMANDO: _____________________ _________________ spec english empty weight 29,300 pounds max loaded weight 50,000 pounds
max speed at altitude 235 MPH / 205 KT service ceiling 22,000 feet range 1,800 MI / 1,565 NMI
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2009 at 1:25am
DHC-2 Beaver
Performance:
Maximum Speed:
135 mph
217 km/h
Cruising Speed:
115 mph
185 km/h
Landing Speed:
52 mph
84 km/h
Range:
800 miles
1288 km
Max Climb:
950 ft/min
290 m/min
Max Altitude:
15,000 ft
4,572 m
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Posted By: BradS
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2009 at 2:31am
Herege wrote:
Is not easy find all info that we need, like you point: 2), 4), and 5). But I think this can help many of us to setup some needed infor for our cargo aircrafts. |
Yep, I agree those are more difficult to locate, but is probably part of the documentation provided when the <FS9/FSX> aircraft is purchased. I had to google around a bit to find the info on the Twotter and the Pilatus PC-12; there was lots of info about them....just not what I was looking for. AH needs those pieces of performance data to function accurately. In some cases, it may provide default info but the accuracy needs to be verified. In my case for the Twotter, it wasn't even close.
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Posted By: TomA320
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2009 at 10:28am
Great new page! It will help me a lot.
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2009 at 3:57am
One of the most difficult stats to find published is fuel consumption. If fuel capacity and range are published, you can approximate it from that, though there's no telling what criteria was used to establish the published AC range. It's usually done by testing with full tanks, but an empty aircraft, not exactly a good parallel for a cargo flight. Also, test pilots establish AC range by flying at the most economical power settings and altitudes which may not be how you operate your AC in AH.
Finally, there are different variants of AC in the real world and in the sim and there are different versions of the same AC by different developers, which may very well behave differently.
There is no better way to derive the fuel consumption of your AH aircraft than to fly it in the sim and measure it.
Load the plane to MTOW with fuel and payload and fly it at a height, configuration and power setting that is typical of how YOU prefer to fly the airplane.
Once level and stabilized in cruise, watch for the panel clock second hand to come to the top. Open the Fuel & Payload menu and note the fuel quantity. Return to the cockpit and continue. Exactly 10 minutes later, open the F & P menu again and note the amount of fuel. Subtract the two readings and multiply by six. That's your fuel consumption per hour.
Note that AH only uses the fuel consumption value you enter in Aircraft Details for a few things and if you're within 10% it will likely not cause any noticeable problems. However, having an accurate value for fuel flow is very valuable for flight planning, particularly in determining if you'll need an enroute fuel stop for a certain job or for figuring out how much cargo you can carry after the fuel is loaded (or vice versa).
John Allard
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2009 at 6:11pm
Aviation Traders Carvair
Performance
Maximum speed: 250 mph (400 km/h)
Range: 2,300 miles (3,700 km)
Service ceiling: 18,700 ft (5,700 m)
Rate of climb: 650 ft/min (3.3 m/s)
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Posted By: Luftwulf
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 8:09pm
Here is a listing of G/A aircraft with range and fuel consumption listed in gal/hr.
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/specifications.html - http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/specifications.html
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Posted By: Hank
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2009 at 9:56pm
A more detailed info & specifications concerning all DHC aircraft !!
http://www.xdh.ca/DHC_Aircraft/dhc_aircraft.html%20 - http://www.xdh.ca/DHC_Aircraft/dhc_aircraft.html
Cheers
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Posted By: TomA320
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2009 at 10:24pm
Any one have performance information for the Cessna Caravan? I coulden't see it on this page.
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Posted By: Hank
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 11:23am
Tom check here:
http://www.aerotwin.com/caravan_specifications_and_dimensions.html - http://www.aerotwin.com/caravan_specifications_and_dimensions.html
Cheers
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Posted By: David
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 3:15pm
Specifications (DC-3) Highly modified DC-3, a BT-67 powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6-65AR engines, now operated by the
National Test Pilot School Sun-n-Fun 2003, Lakeland, Florida, United StatesGeneral characteristics
Crew: 2 Capacity: 21-32 passengers Length: 64 ft 5 in (19.7 m) Wingspan: 95 ft 0 in (29.0 m) Height: 16 ft 11 in (5.16 m) Wing area: 987 ft² (91.7 m²) Empty weight: 18,300 lb (8,300 kg) Loaded weight: 25,200 lb (25,346 with deicing boots, 26,900 in some freight versions) (11,400 kg) Powerplant: 2× Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 series (earliest aircraft) or Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp S1C3G in the C-47
and later civilian aircraft, 1,100 or 1,200 hp (890 kW) max rating, depending upon engine and model (895 kW) each Propellers: 3-bladed Hamilton Standard 23E50 series hydraulically controlled constant speed, feathering
Performance
Maximum speed: 237 mph (206 knots, 381 km/h (=Never Exceed Speed (VNE), or Redline speed)) Cruise speed: 150 mph (130 knots, 240 km/h) Range: 1,025 mi (890 nm, 1,650 km) Service ceiling: 24,000 ft (7,300 m) Rate of climb: 1,130 ft/min (5.73 m/s) initial Wing loading: 25.5 lb/ft² (125 kg/m²) Power/mass: 0.0952 hp/lb (157 W/kg)
Using John's formula, ie Fuel consumption over 10 minutes @10,000' x 10 = 70 Gals per Hr.(Approx!)
VFE 97 Knots, as per placard speed in cockpit of sim DC3. VLE Unable to ascertain but would approximate VFE +10, since the gear is built like it means buisiness!! If it could survive WW2, Korea and the Berlin Air Lift ......................!!!
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Delivering your cargo-Right on the money!
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 3:22pm
Using John's formula, ie Fuel consumption over 10 minutes @10,000' x 10 = 70 Gals per Hr.(Approx!) |
It should be 10 minutes fuel burn X 6, not X 10.
John
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Posted By: David
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 5:07pm
Hi John here are the accurate figures;-
DC3 in FSX;-
Wind Calm
@29.92
Alt 10,000'
2,500 RPM (both props)
40" Manifold pressure
22% Fuel mixture
138 Knots IAS
FUEL USED 22 Gallons in 10 minutes so 22 x 6 = 132 Gallons per hour.
Lovely aircraft!
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 6:22pm
David,
That looks about right. Good data. By the way, however, wind speed has no effect on fuel per unit of time. If you're looking at distance per unit of time it becomes very significant.
John
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Posted By: VH-MAL
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2009 at 10:02pm
Hank wrote:
A more detailed info & specifications concerning all DHC aircraft !!
http://www.xdh.ca/DHC_Aircraft/dhc_aircraft.html%20 - http://www.xdh.ca/DHC_Aircraft/dhc_aircraft.html
Cheers
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Thanks Hank.
As my early fleet will be based around DHC aircraft, this is a great link!
Malcolm
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Posted By: papeg
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2009 at 4:06am
Boeing 247 - Great starter plane
Cost new 1,256,000
Lease Cost 157,000
MTOW 13650
Empty Weight 8785
Cargo Capacity 2878
Cruise Speed 165
Fuel Consumption 65
Range 750
Vfe (Flaps) 160 (This plane has no flaps so I just set this to 160)
Vle (Gears) 160
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Posted By: David
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2009 at 5:09pm
Cessna Caravan Cargomaster
Performance:-
Cruise speed @10,000' 145 KIAS Fuel Consumption (Gal/Hr) 55.6
This was gained by test flight, as suggested by John Allard. IE. Timed for 10 minutes, then multiply sum by 6 for PPH. at:- @10,000' 146 KIAS 1800 RPM (prop) (Adjusted down below red line) 716 Turbine Temp 7142 Ft/Lbs Torque. (Max throttle) (375 PPH displayed on guage in cockpit, which is nearly as per test consumption in GPH!)Range 862 NM (1596KM) VFE 125 KIAS ( As per maximum placard on ASI) VLE Fixed gear.
Additional specs:-
Service ceiling. 22,800' Sea Level Rate of climb 925 FPM
Max Weight Take Off 8750 Lbs Landing 8500 Lbs Fuel Capacity 336 Gallons 2249 Lbs. Useful Load with 170 KG pilot and pods filled to 1700 Lbs+ 2223 Lbs Fuel:- 4093 LBS
Wing Loading 31.3 Lbs/FT2 Power Loading 13 Lbs/HP
Engine PT6-114A
675 SHP
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Posted By: Hank
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2009 at 2:35pm
After surfing the net......all info about the DHC-4 Caribou (brochure) :
http://www.dhc4and5.org/Caribou_Brochure.pdf - http://www.dhc4and5.org/Caribou_Brochure.pdf
And on the main site of above all info (incl.manuals (!)) about both the DHC-4 and DHC-5 !!
http://www.dhc4and5.org/ - http://www.dhc4and5.org/
Cheers
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2009 at 3:22pm
Very useful Hank, I was a long time looking the official specs of caribou, and now it's here, great!
If you find more offical brochures, are more than welcome!
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Posted By: Paragon
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2009 at 4:59pm
Unless I overlooked it, any specs for the ATR 72 yet? I have not had any luck finding them on the net.
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2009 at 5:36pm
ATR 72-200F
Max cruising speed (at 15,000ft): 526km/h (284kt) Economical cruising speed: 460km/h (248kt) Range with reserves at max optional weight 1195km (645nm) Service Ceiling: 25,000ft (7,620m) Normal Cruising Altitude: 14,000 - 18,000 feet (4,267 - 5,486m)
Max Payload: 8,500kg (18,739lbs) Max takeoff: 22,000kg (48,502lbs) Max landing: 21,850kg (48,171lbs) Max ZFW: 20,000kg (48,502lbs)
8,500kg (18,739lbs) payload comprising of nine compartments
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Posted By: fritchka
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2009 at 5:55pm
Cessna P210 Centurion
Production 1957 to 1985
P210R - One 240kW (325hp) turbocharged and fuel injected TSIO-520-CE
Normal cruise 150-170 kts
Max speed 225kt at 20,000ft
max cruising speed 213kt at 23,000ft
Initial rate of climb 1150ft/min
Service ceiling 25,000ft
Range with reserves and optional fuel 1190nm
Empty wt 2470lb
MTOW 4100lb
Estimated Cargo 1160 lb
Estimated fuel consumption 20gal/hr
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Posted By: Paragon
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2009 at 8:47pm
Thanks Herege
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Posted By: JD-LincsUK
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2009 at 7:31pm
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Posted By: Paragon
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2009 at 11:13pm
Thanks JD for this wealth of information and your work into gather it all. Much appreciated!
------------- David "Paragon" Mays
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Posted By: TiggerToo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2009 at 6:57pm
For the Citation Mustang:
AH will do the rest but Range is 1,150nm : Fule burn is 89USG p/h
also, it's a really fun little plane!! ;o)
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Posted By: GTOMW
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2009 at 10:36pm
Has anyone tried to import the FSD Porter PC6? For some reason it only has a cargo capacity of 27.1001 lbs???
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2009 at 10:51pm
Copy the Weigth and Balance section and the Fuel section of the aircraft.cfg file into this thread, please.
John
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Posted By: hobofat
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 2:44am
Just to be aware, the MAAM-SIM DC-3 comes in at about 92-116 gallons/hr rather than the 216 JD lists as default. This is much more consistent with real world numbers than the default, so if you're a serious DAK driver, you might consider purchasing their DC-3!
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Posted By: JD-LincsUK
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 9:28am
Most, if not all, of the default aircraft seem to be rather thirstier than their real-world counterparts.
I forgot to mention that the fuel burn figures were calculated immediately the aircraft was settled into the cruise, rather than an average over the entire range - so they were quite heavy.
In this way, the fuel burn figures should always be considered a maximum, and therefore safe to use for calculations - rather a smidgen too much in the tank than trying to glide a loaded 747...!
JD
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Posted By: Killieboy64
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 10:19am
Can anyone help sort out the Wilco Airbus A400M? AH reads the cargo capacity as minus 44541lbs! Here are the weight & balance and the fuel sections of the cfg
[weight_and_balance]
max_gross_weight = 264550
empty_weight = 154321
reference_datum_position = 0, 0, 0
empty_weight_CG_position = -2, 0, 0
empty_weight_pitch_MOI = 3400000
empty_weight_roll_MOI = 3300000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI = 3800000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI = 0
CG_forward_limit = 0.000
CG_aft_limit = 1.000
max_number_of_stations=50
station_load.0=6804, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, Payload
Payload_type=1
Payload_Vehicles=1
[fuel]
//Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
fuel_type = 2
number_of_tank_selectors = 1
electric_pump = 0
Center1 = -1.0, 0.0, 0.00, 7700, 3
LeftMain = -1.0, -10.00, 0.00, 7700, 3
RightMain = -1.0, 10.00, 0.00, 7700, 3
Thanks in advance if you're able to assist.
(Also, if anyone has worked out the fuel burn already?)
Derek
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Posted By: Killieboy64
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 10:23am
Hang on I've just spotted it has a load manager. I'll try loading it via this and then re-importing it.
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Posted By: Killieboy64
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 11:50am
Nah, that didn't work. I've just worked out the fuel burn from a test run though: 1800 Gal/hr ( full load at 30000ft 315kts). So over to you guys again.
Cheers
Derek
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 2:56pm
I forgot to mention that the fuel burn figures were calculated immediately the aircraft was settled into the cruise, rather than an average over the entire range - so they were quite heavy. |
The engines burn what they burn at a given air density and power setting. The engines are unaffected by whether the AC is light or heavy. If the measure is fuel consumed per unit of time (as opposed to fuel consumed per unit of distance) it's not going to vary as you burn off fuel.
John
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 3:08pm
I agree with the AH figures...
Cargo Cap'y = MTOW - Empty Weight - Full Fuel Weight
Cargo Cap'y = 264,550 - 154,321 - (7700 X 3 X 6.7)
Cargo Cap'y = 264,550 - 154,321 - 154,770
Cargo Cap'y = - 44541
Your beef is with the developer of the AC. According to his figures, it's 22 tons overweight with full fuel tanks and no cargo.
John
EDIT: According to Wiki
MTOW = 310,852 lb
Total Internal Fuel = 103,000 lb
Applying those will make quite a difference. Since the real AC hasn't flown yet the publicized figures are probably a bit fuzzy and may be changing as the design is tweaked by Airbus.
JDA
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Posted By: Killieboy64
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 5:41pm
Many thanks for your swift reply, that has worked a treat.
PS. I didn't really have a beef with anyone.
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Posted By: hobofat
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 11:16pm
allardjd wrote:
I forgot to mention that the fuel burn figures were calculated immediately the aircraft was settled into the cruise, rather than an average over the entire range - so they were quite heavy. |
The engines burn what they burn at a given air density and power setting. The engines are unaffected by whether the AC is light or heavy. If the measure is fuel consumed per unit of time (as opposed to fuel consumed per unit of distance) it's not going to vary as you burn off fuel.
John |
This is very true, and especially important with regards to piston powered aircraft. Power management is key, and the numbers fluctuate depending on power settings, altitude, temperature etc.
I did not mean my post to denigrate in any way the hard work you put in compiling those numbers JD! Your performance table is brilliant. I Just wanted to highlight the difference for users of the MAAM-SIM DC-3.
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 11:41pm
hobofat,
You're quite right - JD did us all a great favor by deriving and publicizing those stats. It represents a lot of work and we should all be appreciative of it. He was being too hard on himself when he suggested his data might be imprecise because of the AC being heavily loaded - that will not affect fuel consumption per unit of time.
As you noted, and as other users should be aware, results are always subject to different variables and parameters.
The same AC by a different developer may very well behave differently. A different model of the same aircraft may have different performance characteristics. Altitude, temperature, and power settings will all have an effect on fuel burn per hour. JD's numbers are a good starting point and will get us in the ball park, but prudent operators will carry a fuel reserve (if for no other reason than fickle winds aloft) and refine the planning numbers they use over time as they become more familiar with how their particular AC performs when operated according to their own habits and preferences.
John
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Posted By: JD-LincsUK
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 9:00am
Firstly, to hobofat - don't worry, as I didn't take your comments as criticism at all - I read exactly as you meant it
Models of the same aircraft but from different developers always seem to differ in performance stats and therefore your info is very useful to anyone who has the MAAM-SIM DC-3.
Secondly a general point to anyone who uses those stats I've posted, as John says, these figures are merely something that you can enter into the relevant boxes and use for rough guidance whilst importing aircraft into AH, just to get you started.
You will be able to see how the aircraft performs as you use it within AH, not least by using the fuel burn and similar stats in the inbuilt flight reports. You can then adjust the figures yourself in the aircraft management pages if you find that you are using less fuel (which is always likely to be the case, rather than more fuel).
I did this list because I found myself stuck when I wanted to import some aircraft and had no idea what to put into the fuel burn and range boxes. I also did some default aircraft as I found the quoted figures sometimes a bit wide of the mark. The weights are quoted for comparison purposes. The other info is just for.... erm... info!
JD
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Posted By: JD-LincsUK
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 9:09am
allardjd wrote:
I forgot to mention that the fuel burn figures were calculated immediately the aircraft was settled into the cruise, rather than an average over the entire range - so they were quite heavy. |
The engines burn what they burn at a given air density and power setting. The engines are unaffected by whether the AC is light or heavy. If the measure is fuel consumed per unit of time (as opposed to fuel consumed per unit of distance) it's not going to vary as you burn off fuel.
John |
Forgot about this one - surely the aircraft will require more power to keep at the same speed and altitude if it is heavier, though?
JD
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 2:42pm
Forgot about this one - surely the aircraft will require more power to keep at the same speed and altitude if it is heavier, though? |
JD,
That's exactly right - same speed. If that's part of the criteria, it changes everything we said above.
For a given air density and power setting, however, the fuel burn will be constant. As the AC burns off fuel and becomes lighter, the angle of attack (and induced drag) will lessen slightly and speed will increase, everything else remaining constant. Fuel burn will not change with weight if air density and power setting don't change, but airspeed will.
John
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Posted By: Herege
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2009 at 12:13am
Airbus A300-600F Dedicated freighter model
EOW 90 100 kg (198 600 lb)
MZF 130 000 kg (286 600 lb)
MTOW 168 000 kg (370 400 lb)
MLW 140 000 kg (308 600 lb)
Max cruise speed 480 kts (553 mph) 890 kph @ 7 620 m (25 000’)
Fuel capacity 68 150 litres (14 990 gal) 18 000 US gal
Runway required T/O 2 290 m (7 515’)
Runway required Ldg 1 555 m (5 100’)
Payload Maximum: 55 017 kg (121 290 lb)
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Posted By: spidierox
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 10:30am
Forgot about this one - surely the aircraft will require more power to keep at the same speed and altitude if it is heavier, though? |
JD,
Look at the engine as a power source - forget about speed a moment
Engine performance - the power output is affected by altitude, temperature and humidity.
Whenever one of these changes you effect the performance of the engine.
I use this little mind trick : engine performance is affected by the 3 H's:
- Height
- HOT
- Humidity
Dieter
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If you can carry it, we can transport it.
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Posted By: hobofat
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 1:14am
A good resource that helped me understand all the above issues was the Propliner Tutorial written by FSAviator, obtainable at http://www.calclassic.com/tutorials.htm. I will go ahead and say that I find FSAviator to be quite dramatic in his writing style, and very one-dimensional, but there is a wealth of information and a good starting point, though it's directed towards piston-engined propliners, it does try to differentiate the difference between that and other types of engines.
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 2:31am
With any engine type, at a given power setting and air density, fuel burn will be a constant. AC weight does not affect it. Speed will vary with AC weight but fuel burn will not vary unless the power setting and/or air density change.
As noted above, temperature, altitude, humidity affect density.
John
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Posted By: mickforce
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 7:42pm
Boing 767-300
460 kts
1844 gal/hr
5990 NM
250 KT Vfe
270 KT Vle
I love my LevelD!
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Posted By: Freight Dawg
Date Posted: 07 May 2009 at 2:14pm
Someone needs to do a 767-300ER model using the new winglets. I've only flown them at light weights and we were seeing 5,700 to 5,500 PPH per side at FL390 for roughly 1,672 Gal/Hr. The airplane flies a degree or two more nose down, it definitely has more lift out there.
That's 9% lower than the Level D numbers, but we have no idea what assumptions are built into that fuel burn.
While JD Lincs is correct on his fuel burn discussion, the FMC provides VNAV cruise speeds based on winds aloft (faster into a headwind, slower to take advantage of tail winds), weight, temperature, and cost index. Your fuel burn relates to how fast you are pushing the airplane. At hevier weights the wind requires more airflow to maintain the same angle of attack... so heavier you definately burn more fuel.
Look for charts that show the numbers graphically, or build a model based on 1st hour, second hour, third hour, etc...
------------- Regards,
Smiling Bob, Capt
Enzyte Air Cargo, LLC
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Posted By: Freight Dawg
Date Posted: 07 May 2009 at 2:25pm
BradS wrote:
The specific performance information that is needed is: | PDMG MD11 Cargo - PDMG
- Cruise Speed (knots) = 482
- Fuel Consumption (Gallons/hour) = 2,686
- Range (nautical miles) = 8,225*
- Vfe - maximum speed flaps extension = 280
- Vle - maximum speed landing gear = 260
- Cargo Capacity = 126,202.2
- Cost = $134,818,200.00
Leonardo MD82/83/88 "Mad Dog"
- Cruise Speed (knots) = 467
- Fuel Consumption (Gallons/hour) = 895
- Range (nautical miles) = 2,100*
- Vfe - maximum speed flaps extension = 280
- Vle - maximum speed landing gear = 300
- Cargo Capacity = 31,014
- Cost = $ 33,565,040.00
------------- Regards,
Smiling Bob, Capt
Enzyte Air Cargo, LLC
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Posted By: Hendrix
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 11:01am
Found a very good site to lift info from:
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/ - http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/
On the top left on the menu there is a button for english, for those who dont speak german :)
//Hendrix
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Posted By: charlie
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 7:31pm
Pilatus Porter (PC6)
Range without external tanks: 500nm Range with external tanks: 860nm
MTOW: 6173
Fuel burn: 39Gals/hr
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Charlie
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Posted By: shaundale
Date Posted: 26 May 2009 at 10:53pm
Another Link to a site that shows Everything you need, Currently on Airbus Fleet BUT does have a search so could find other Planes. Don't have time to look, pay as go intnet, sorry.
http://www.aircharter-international.com/passenger_aircraft/passenger_aircraft_types_airbus.asp - http://www.aircharter-international.com/passenger_aircraft/passenger_aircraft_types_airbus.asp
Regards,
Shaun.
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Posted By: Mickel
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2009 at 1:12pm
For fixed gear, should Vle be set to Vne? (Vne = don't go faster than this... ever)
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Posted By: tomkrist
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2009 at 8:08pm
I need range (nm) and fuel/hour burn(usg) for this planes/addons if any have:P
Airbus Wilco Collection(1,2+a380) A319 A320 A321(not sure if default is correct?) A330 A340 A380
wilco pic 737-300 wilco pic 737-400 wilco pic 737-500
Pmdg Md11 pmdg 747
Also for the wilco Legacy and boing 777
and the aerosoft piper cheyenne + catalina x planes.
If any can help i would be very happy.
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Posted By: SirDixie
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2009 at 11:09pm
These figures are worked out from some RAF numbers, the figures are based on their tanker aircraft so might be slightly different to civilian versions. However, seeing as the tankers are mostly stripped out inside they would probably make a decent approximation to cargo versions of the types.
Lockheed L1011-500 Tristar 470 kts
2600 gal/hr
5509NM
Vickers VC-10 502 kts
2311 gal/hr
5000 NM Vickers Super VC-10 505 kts
2311 gal/hr
5200 NM
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Posted By: Mickel
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2009 at 5:52am
C-152:
95kts
6.6Gal/hr
380NM
Roughly real world figures
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Posted By: ATL98A
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2009 at 4:32am
With the ATL98A you may wish to consider that the standard fuel load used to max out at 2400 USG. This was governed by the oil quantity.................if you had long range oil tanks fitted you could load, if i remember correctly, 2868 USG. Fuel burn depended to a great extent on MP and prop rpm..............no standard burn. I will try and rummage for my old notes for more info..........if it is wanted. 250 mph at 10,000 ft is generous. Glad to see the old girl warrants an honourable mention in the awesome AH programme.
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Posted By: mugc
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2009 at 7:03pm
A bit of a dated query on the Caribou (DHC-4) post - but does anyone have the AH specs on the type - specifically the Alphasim model (Purchase Cost/Lease Dep/Lease Pay/MTOW/Cargo Capacity/etc)? Still looking for a good medium size STOL for FSX SP2. If anyone has the alphasim product - do they know if it suffers from the autogen issue that some FS9 to FSX model ports have (clouds/trees display over the prop)?
Regards
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 6:38pm
Does anyone have RW or FS data for the Quest Kodiak? I'm particularly interested in cruise speed, service ceiling, fuel burn, range. The specs I do have make it look pretty similar to the Caravan or PC-12, but possibly with better short-field capability and a better cockpit. Is that correct?
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Posted By: concorde380
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 6:47pm
Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_Aircraft
------------- When you need to get your cargo from one place to another...Remember Pedro's Cargo
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 7:14pm
Thanks, Pedro. I missed that one. I may just have to pick one of these up.
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Posted By: Greg B
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 4:15pm
Here goes for the first post on here! I found this PDF with a bit of detail on GPH consumption for most of the more common aircraft whilst I was looking up performance data. It may not conform exactly to the actual FSX/FS9 aircraft, but it should get you in the right ballpark:
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf - http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf
Hope that helps!
As a question from me, has anyone else tried to put import the Wilco A330-200? I keep on getting a minus cargo capacity figure of -4100 odd.
Thanks
Greg
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Posted By: Thunder175
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 5:31pm
What an excellent find Greg! A little outdated (looks like mostly from 2000) but great info nonetheless!
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Posted By: kymsheba
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 1:42am
Greg B wrote:
Here goes for the first post on here! I found this PDF with a bit of detail on GPH consumption for most of the more common aircraft whilst I was looking up performance data. It may not conform exactly to the actual FSX/FS9 aircraft, but it should get you in the right ballpark:
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf - http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf
Hope that helps!
As a question from me, has anyone else tried to put import the Wilco A330-200? I keep on getting a minus cargo capacity figure of -4100 odd.
Thanks
Greg
| Hi Greg,
The reason you will be getting a negative value is because the Maximum and minium weight of the aircraft maybe back to front ie: Maximum may have the minimum value and minimum may have the maximum value this happened to me with one of my aircraft.
you will find the values in the "aircraft.cfg" in the aircraft folder in your case the Wilco A330-200 folder inside airplanes folder.
the section is the "WEIGHT and BALANCE" section.
Check those values and if the minimum is higher than then the maximum just switch the values around.
step 2: once you have done that in AIR HAULER you need to remove all the Wilco A330-200 planes and reenter them again for the correct values to appear in air hauler.
Step 3: unfortunately if you own any of these aircrafts you need to sell them and rebuy the airplane with the new values. The program won't change the values which is why you need to remove and reenter the airplanes into air hauler.
Hope this helps as that is what happened to me with one of my planes the "UIVER DC-2"
Cheers, Mike
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Kymsheba
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Posted By: Greg B
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 8:02am
Thanks for the tips Mike, unfortunately that doesnt work either as the numbers are correct, I've tried swapping them around and that gives a greater minus value!
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Posted By: Mower
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 9:38pm
Thanx for the info but is the specific fuel consumption in galloons per hour for the LDS 767 300 ER?
Thanx!
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Posted By: kymsheba
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 11:11pm
Greg B wrote:
Thanks for the tips Mike, unfortunately that doesnt work either as the numbers are correct, I've tried swapping them around and that gives a greater minus value! | Hi Greg,
Sorry it didn't work mate, but i have another idea that may be the problem.
Are the values showing the correct numbers i suggest goto a site with the info of the real plane and see if the figures match up with the WEIGHT & BALANCE figures.
Also check the fuel amount and make sure it is correct i know that some developers fudge the numbers a bit to make the plane more flyable in FS9 or FSX.
If the fuel amount is more than real life and you have maximum fuel loaded this maybe why you might be getting negative numbers again.
Just worth checking as this is all i can think of that may be causing the wrong values.
Hope these suggestions work mate.
The last thing you could try is to uninstall AIR HAULER completely and then reinstall and reenter the aircraft again and hope that fixes the problem but you most likely have already tried this.
I will keep searching through and see if i can find a solution for you mate when time permits if you like.
Cheers, Mike
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Kymsheba
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Posted By: mugc
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2009 at 9:53pm
PMDG now has their new Jetstream 41 announced on their website – not available yet – but getting close. There are a few folks in the customer forum asking about a freighter model, and one person noted this link which announced a JS 41 Freighter conversion….
http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf - http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf
According to http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/jetstream41/specs.html
Performance:
Cruise speed 540 km/hour
Economical cruise speed 482 km/hour
Maximum altitude7,925 m
Maximum rate of climb670 m/min
Typical range with full passenger load 800 nm
Range with 80 per cent load1,490 nm
Typical fuel burn 420 kg/hr
Runway take-off 1,523 m
Runway landing1,280 m
Weights:
Empty weight 6,473 kg
Maximum take-off weight 10,886 kg
Maximum landing weight 10,569 kg
Maximum fuel 2,703 kg
That would put the max cargo for AI in at 1710 kg (please correct me if I am wrong with that), or 3770 lbs… Not a heavy lifter by any means – the Catalina has double the cargo capacity for AI – but it’s a very slow trip in the old bird!
Looks like an interesting addition to the fleet for a regional though – as with most things in AH – might not be the smartest business move – but if it’s fun and interesting to fly – my companies for it!
Price is at $44.95 and they claim that features are very configurable to accommodate a wide range of systems while maintaining decent frame rates….
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2009 at 10:06pm
Someone's flying a Jetstream 41 (Beta) in AH as we speak. I can see one on the radar. Pilot name is "Keebler Corp."
------------- John Allard
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Posted By: mugc
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2009 at 11:10pm
Ahh – could be a strong indication of the growing popularity of AH when you see new aircraft getting beta tested within AH prior to release!!!
Noticed that the AH landing categories were used as a metrics in the Avsim review of the Ariane 737… maybe they will become standard benchmarks...
“Just to prove how easy it was to land manually, I stuck it into Air Hauler so it would monitor a manual approach and touchdown. This was at Almeria’s runway 26 in southern Spain. As you can see from the caption, it is easy to pull off a greaser in the 900ER, despite that big tail overhang.”
Source: http://www.avsim.com/pages/0709/Ariane/737.htm
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Posted By: Turbineflyer
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 2:24pm
allardjd wrote:
Does anyone have RW or FS data for the Quest Kodiak? I'm particularly interested in cruise speed, service ceiling, fuel burn, range. The specs I do have make it look pretty similar to the Caravan or PC-12, but possibly with better short-field capability and a better cockpit. Is that correct? |
At 179 ktas, at 12,000 ft, fuel consumption is 47 gph yielding 1,032 nm over 5.9 hr
http://www.questaircraft.com/index.php?filename=specs.php§ion=38 - http://www.questaircraft.com/index.php?filename=specs.php§ion=38
Been flying this baby since FS9 intro. Get one.
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Posted By: Slopey
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 2:39pm
mugc wrote:
Ahh – could be a strong indication of the growing popularity of AH when you see new aircraft getting beta tested within AH prior to release!!!
Noticed that the AH landing categories were used as a metrics in the Avsim review of the Ariane 737… maybe they will become standard benchmarks...
“Just to prove how easy it was to land manually, I stuck it into Air Hauler so it would monitor a manual approach and touchdown. This was at Almeria’s runway 26 in southern Spain. As you can see from the caption, it is easy to pull off a greaser in the 900ER, despite that big tail overhang.”
Source: http://www.avsim.com/pages/0709/Ariane/737.htm |
That's so cool!
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Posted By: allardjd
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 3:09pm
Been flying this baby since FS9 intro. Get one. |
I picked up one (FS9) on sale the other day for $14.95.
------------- John Allard
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Posted By: Skipper
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2009 at 6:08pm
I purchased the Quest Kodiak a few days ago in version 2.4b. I am not really happy with the performance. Speed and cargo capacity are a bit off I think. The empty weigt is only 3350 (reality 3700), the speed at 12.000 at max power is already 231 Knots (reality 185 Knots maximum cruise speed.) You reach this 185 Knots with under 65% throttle...that does not "feel right".
This feels like cheating.
I changed the powerscalar from the turbine engine from 1.5 to 1.3 and the fuelscalar from 1.0 to 0.94 and empty weight to 3700. I tried to match exactly the fuel consumption from the webside: 12.000 feet 179 Knots 47 gallons.
The plane is still way to fast (221 Knots at 12.000 feet) but with this downgrades it is loosing his stol abilities. It needs a lot more runway with this configuration. With powerscalar 1.0 top speed goes down to 198 Knots at 12 k feet but it is absolutely underperforming on takeoff and climbrate then...
With a max cruise speed of 185 Knots. What should be a realistic top speed...200?
Does anyone know enough about the .config and .air to match the data off the real-world Kodiak... downgrade top speed but keep stol and climb abilities?
I really like the idea of the Kodiak. Strong rough plane. Exactly the right plane to haul in the wilderness of Alaska and Canada. And for that I would like it to be as realistic as possible....
Any ideas?
Skip
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Posted By: sputnik421
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2009 at 1:30am
Cessna 425 / 441
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=156 - http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=156 Quote"
425 - Max cruising speed 490km/h (264kt) at 17,700ft. Initial rate of
climb 2027ft/min. Service ceiling 34,700ft. Range with max payload
1252km (676nm), max range 3050km (1647nm).
441 - Max speed 547km/h
(295kt), max cruising speed 543km/h (293kt). Initial rate of climb
2435ft/min. Service ceiling 37,000ft. Max range with reserves at long
range cruising speed 3048km (1646nm), range with max payload and
reserves 2724km (1471nm)."
I don't see the flap damage speeds there though. Do we put the light /calculate 50-70% / heavy load Range in?
I'm trying for the Titan v2 1200nm. So 1200range / 264Kts = 4.55Gph?
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/ -
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Posted By: mhlarsen
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2009 at 1:23pm
mugc wrote:
PMDG now has their new Jetstream 41 announced on their website – not available yet – but getting close. There are a few folks in the customer forum asking about a freighter model, and one person noted this link which announced a JS 41 Freighter conversion….
http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf - http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf
According to http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/jetstream41/specs.html
Performance:
Cruise speed 540 km/hour
Economical cruise speed 482 km/hour
Maximum altitude7,925 m
Maximum rate of climb670 m/min
Typical range with full passenger load 800 nm
Range with 80 per cent load1,490 nm
Typical fuel burn 420 kg/hr
Runway take-off 1,523 m
Runway landing1,280 m
Weights:
Empty weight 6,473 kg
Maximum take-off weight 10,886 kg
Maximum landing weight 10,569 kg
Maximum fuel 2,703 kg
That would put the max cargo for AI in at 1710 kg (please correct me if I am wrong with that), or 3770 lbs… Not a heavy lifter by any means – the Catalina has double the cargo capacity for AI – but it’s a very slow trip in the old bird!
Looks like an interesting addition to the fleet for a regional though – as with most things in AH – might not be the smartest business move – but if it’s fun and interesting to fly – my companies for it!
Price is at $44.95 and they claim that features are very configurable to accommodate a wide range of systems while maintaining decent frame rates…. |
Here is a link to some more detailed info about the Jetstream 41 Freighter, or J41E as it is called:
http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/Jetstream_41_General_data_brochure.pdf - http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/Jetstream_41_General_data_brochure.pdf
------------- Michael
http://www.justflight.com">
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Posted By: sputnik421
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2009 at 5:52am
Has any one else tried to inport the beach jet 400a it's cargo capacity in AH is -3.199707
[General] performance=400A - Max Speed: 468kt\Typical cruising speed: 450kt\Long range cruising speed: 392kt\Initial climb rate: 3770 ft/min\Service Ceiling: 43,400 ft\Range with Max fuel cruising at 430kt: 1574nm at 418kt: 1693nm\Powerplants: Two 2965lb takeoff rated Pratt & Whitney Canada JT15D5 turbofans atc_type=Beechjet Category=airplane
[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE] reference_datum_position=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 empty_weight_CG_position=0.500000,0.000000,0.000000 max_number_of_stations=50 station_load.0=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 empty_weight=12000.000000 empty_weight_roll_MOI=45000.000000 empty_weight_pitch_MOI=50000.000000 empty_weight_yaw_MOI=70000.000000 empty_weight_coupled_MOI=3300.000000 max_gross_weight=18000.000000
[fuel] Center1=-6.860000,0.000000,-1.500000,359.000000,0.000000 LeftMain=-1.800000,-10.000000,-1.500000,268.500000,0.000000 RightMain=-1.800000,10.000000,-1.500000,268.500000,0.000000 fuel_type=2.000000 number_of_tank_selectors=1 electric_pump=0
I hope those are the reverent bits of the aircraft.cfg I hope somone can help. Thanks in advance
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Posted By: pfevrier
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 6:47pm
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had info needed on Lockheed Constellation. Just picked it up today from Just Flight, and wanted to see it in AH. Any numbers are appreciated, thanks.
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