1st Impressions?
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Topic: 1st Impressions?
Posted By: richie771
Subject: 1st Impressions?
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:07pm
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Can't say I'm impressed.
Just flown from Paderborn to Stansted and seen 1 Aircraft!
Plenty of radio chatter.
No stack around STN as there was in Traffic 2005 in FS2004. Just flew straight in..
Where is the traffic?
This was an evening flight so will give benefit of doubt. maybee STN is really quiet this time of the evening ( I doubt it as I actually flew this flight on Air Berlin on Monday and there were 2 A/C in front of me and 3 behind during finals).
If not improved tomorrow during day flight will ask for my first ever JF refund!
By the way (For you doubters) I have traffic set at 68% as per manual. In Traffic 2005 (For FS 2004) anything above %70 and you had numerous go-arounds! Where are they.....
Hope it improves soon as I only purchased this as I stopped using FSX as Traffic 2005 was showing no actual Traffic - Plenty in the stands but nothing in the air or on taxiways waiting to take off as per Traffic 2005 in FS 2004.
Richie
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:12pm
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I've been running Traffic X on FSX/SP2 for a while and have more than enough traffic filling my virtual skies. Please contact support ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:18pm
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Cheers Martyn.
Not trying to knock your efforts.
But really not impressed.
I have been waititng for MONTHS for Traffic X.
So many times I was going to go back to FS 2004 due to the lack of traffic on the pan. But stayed with it due to FSX being better than FS 2004. But Traffic 2005 was awesome in FS 2004.
Hopefully it is just because it is night time (Noise polution and all that!)
Will try again during daytime hours.
Thanks again
Richie
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Posted By: bobbyz
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:37pm
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Same for me; hardly any traffic anywhere. Already thinking of going back to Traffic 2005. |
Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:38pm
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Well just changed to 12:00hrs on a Monday at Heathrow and nothing!
Loads sat on the stands, but nothing waiting for T/O and nothing in the air.
Credit Crunch has really hit the airways!!!
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Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:40pm
| Me too. Please see my post about landing and departing at Heathrow. Traffic 2005 was excellent with Traffic sliders at just 20%. |
Posted By: bobbyz
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:45pm
Totally agree. Remember being gobsmacked when I first installed Traffic 2005, loaded up a saved flight at Gatwick and couldn't believe how much traffic was there with no impact on framerate. This time framerate isn't an issue; every airport is relatively deserted. |
Stringbean wrote:Posted By: dree
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:48pm
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Hi, TrafficX is also a sort of platform, I mean, I also thought there was too little traffic at my nearest big airport (EHRD) So I googled for the real world arrival an departure schedules and I fixed it I even made a KLM Cityhopper livery to complete the pie. BTW, got my Airline Traffic on 100% and GA on 60%, no problem. ------------- 
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Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 10:55pm
| Ok traffic x maybee a platform but surely at 12:00 on a Monday there will be at least 1 a/c in the air and maybee 1 or 2 trying to depart? |
Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 11:04pm
| If you have the sliders set too high at Heathrow for example, you will create a bottleneck of aircraft waiting to cross the runway to their parking gates. If you turn it down to alleviate the problem then the place becomes a ghost town with just a couple moving about here and there. Aircraft are even landing and departing on the same runways at Heathrow so aircraft on the ground waiting for takeoff are stuck. I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow whether I re-install Traffic 2005. By the way, just been to Gatwick with sliders up to 30% and only four aircraft at the stands. At 30% in Traffic 2005, Gatwick was bursting with aircraft. The place was a hive of activity. |
Posted By: dree
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 11:25pm
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Gatwick at 100% I count 40+ planes, on 30% still 20.
I see already a difference in opinion, one has a bottleneck, one no leaving planes  -------------
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Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 11:36pm
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Go to Heathrow and sit there for a while and you shall see! |
Posted By: bobbyz
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 12:16am
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Well here's an example of the view from control tower at Stanstead with traffic set to 100%. This is after half an hour - 2 planes http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081017087250gv5.jpg">  http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php"> http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081017091646cf0.jpg"> http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php"> |
Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 8:54am
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Sorry to appear like 'nasty nick' but its no good posting up your problems here. You need to contact technical support in order for us to help resolve the problems some of you are encountering. As you can see in this thread, this isn't a problem that is affecting everyone, the majority of users (including me!) have absolutely no problems with traffic at Heathrow etc. You can contact the support team here: http://www.justflight.com/faqs.asp?drdProduct=182&supportProductName=Traffic%20X - http://www.justflight.com/faqs.asp?drdProduct=182&supportProductName=Traffic%20X ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 9:16am
Morning Martyn.
With all due respect, I think the thread is entitled..."First Impressions" which means people are simply airing their personal views on the product thus far. It's early days and we simply don't know yet if the problems we are encountering requires technical support or whether we can sort things out amongst the JF community on this wonderful forum.
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Posted By: SimUK
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 9:24am
But, as long as people reading and posting in this topic realise that we can't provide support via the forum and can't even begin to log any problems that people are reporting if they're only reporting it here and not submitting a support request. Until we get support requests we can't work on investigating and fixing problems (assuming they are actual problems!), so it really is to the benefit of the JF community if you report problems via the Support section of our website.
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 9:27am
Yes, please carry on chaps. We have our ears firmly open and we are listening to and discussing what is being posted here. Keep the general feedback coming. What Simon and Martyn are getting that is if you have a specific problem (codes not working, problems installing etc) that you need fixing or for us to respond directly to, please send it to technical support as it will likely get lost here and sorting 1 to 1 problems on a forum is a haphazard way of doing things.
Of course, this doesn't seem right. We are looking into it this morning. Please remember that its only been out a day and the program is too massive to reasonably expect it to be perfect straight away, I'm sure that there will be some tweaking here and there over the next few days and weeks |
Posted By: mdowner
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 10:32am
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I only managed a very quick play with it last night - went to my local Bournemouth airport at 1pm and was surprised to see only a few GA aircraft there - bit of a Ghost Town (even though I had checked the database to see that Ryanair had a 737 leaving at 1:10). I will have more of a play around tonight to see if I can get it working (my traffic level setting looks like it could be a bit low, but Traffic gave me a fair amount of airliners at around 40%).
Looking through the specs though, there seems to be a difference between Traffic and TrafficX. Traffic has 280,000+ scheduled airline flights, whilst TrafficX has 100,000+ flights. Why is this? Is this why we all have to bump up our traffic settings to get more aircraft displayed compared to Traffic?
Also, I seem to remember seeing a departure board in some earlier screenshots. Did this make the final product, as I can't see it on the feature list, and couldn't find it last night? Admittedly I haven't had chance to read the manual, so apologies if it's there in black and white - I'll have time for a better look tonight.
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Posted By: Antarius
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 10:36am
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Same thing here. I had to push over 80% density to get at least 10 aircrafts in some airports (YMML for example). KJFK, Heathrow on other hand have lots of traffic for me.
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 10:53am
It was decided not to include this feature in Traffic X ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: mdowner
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 10:57am
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Thanks Martyn - shame - it looked pretty good, but was probably more a novelty value thing (i.e. one of those things that you look at and go cool... and then never look at again).
Any reason why the flights database was cut down so much? I never compared the two products up to now, kind of expecting TrafficX to build on what was already there with Traffic, so I'm surprised to see the database has been cut by almost two thirds.
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:02am
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Bear with us guys, we are working on this and will hopefully have a solution shortly. I would still recommend contacting us via the support section if you are encountering bare airports ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:02am
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Hi, It was a concious decision to try to improve the overall performance of Traffic X. For instance, we wanted a balance where having the slider at 100% won't overload all the airports. Please stand by. We are going to release some files shortly that will dramatically increase the amount of traffic you will see |
Posted By: mdowner
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:13am
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Thanks guys... like the speedy response.
However, surely increasing the number of flights does not just mean more going to the same large airports? One of the great things with Traffic was that you could turn up to a lot of out-of-the-way airports, and still get traffic there, and smaller (yet international) airports like bournemouth got a good supply of traffic without overloading the large airports. I'm hoping that hasn't been lost with TrafficX.
It would also help your advertising... just looked at MyTrafficX number of daily flights. I won't post the numbers here, but if anybody compares the two..... it's not a great comparison. I stuck with TrafficX because of the experience with Traffic, but new customers might be swayed by the numbers.
Looking forward to see what the files will do.
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Posted By: SimUK
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:17am
| I think you'll find Traffic X is more quality than quantity. See what you think after RAS has made some updated files available in a little while though... |
Posted By: mdowner
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:21am
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Yep.. I would agree about the quality - no qualms with Traffic, and the new models I did see looked very good. I've tried MyTrafficX and didn't like it - much preferred the fsx conversion of Traffic, as it seemed a lot more polished.I only mention it in that anyone looking at the numbers may be swayed, as there is a big difference, but it sounds like you're rectifying that! |
Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:29am
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Hi, Here is the aforementioned revision for Traffic X. Please note: this is an optional file and only needs to be installed if you wish to increase the levels of traffic at all airports in FSX. What you need to do is as follows: Download the update Run it and follow the simple install procedure. Once it's installed you need to ensure you have closed FSX and then go to Start Menu->JustFlight->TrafficX and run the Traffic Control Centre. Go to "Traffic Movements" and "Compile Traffic X Flight Plans". When prompted to save the new database, set it to overwrite the existing "trafficx.bgl" file in FSX>Scenery>World>Scenery. This will rebuilt the database (doubling the size of it) and should increase the traffic levels you are seeing the next time you run FSX http://updates.justflight.info/jf/TrafficX/TrafficBoostHotfix.exe - Download This is Stansted post-hotfix:  |
Posted By: mdowner
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:36am
| Excellent - thanks RAS - great support. I'll try it out tonight |
Posted By: bobbyz
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:51am
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Wow, that was a really quick response. Just retested Stanstead and there are planes there, plus looks like more planes in the skies around. Have also reloaded my saved game at Geneva where there were only two planes before and now we have a busy airport; and this is with Air Traffic slider set to 40%. Was very disappointed to start with but am seriously impressed with the response from the dev team. I'm sure there will be some other issues come out (I can think of a couple already) but this was the main prob and you seem to have fixed it very very quickly. Thanks again |
Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 1:01pm
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I have tried the hotfix but still nothing moving! Just travelled from a gate at LHR to the active (5 Min journey) and nothing moved - apart from the obviuos trucks and fuel vehicles.
Got to the active, nothing landing or taking off.
I have sent a request to the Support team, maybee I have an issue with my system!
But many of you are having the same problem - I see loads in the stands but nothing moving.
I am sure JF wil come through.
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 1:05pm
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Richie, If you go to Stansted and set traffic to 100% do you not see a similar situation to the pic I posted above? |
Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 1:14pm
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I have set Traffic to 100% and this seems to have solved the problem. (Seems a little high).
Hotfix with 68% made little difference.
Thanks for the help.
Now i'm off to fly!!
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Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 1:41pm
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RAS...
Installed the Hotfix and the slider at 60% is the same as pre-hotfix. However, I am running it now as a spotter and I'll see how the traffic progresses.
Question..
When I went into the TCC, and followed your instructions, I was asked if I would like to "NAME" the saved file. I simply called it.."Traffic Hotfix". A black window then appeared, I waited a few moments and it dissapeared. The saved Hotfix that I named was saved in...G\Program Files\MS Games\FSX\Scenery\World\Scenery. Is that correct? Thre's no extension but it's sitting with the .bgl files in that folder.
Thanks.
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 1:48pm
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Hi Stringbean. That wouldn't have made any changes I'm afraid as you need to overwrite the existing TrafficX.bgl. Please try this Rebuild the database as before and when prompted to save the database file, delete the "Traffic Hotfix" file you created the last time and then set the program to overwrite the existing "trafficx.bgl" file. You should end up with a new trafficx.bgl file. Hope I've explained this clearly enough, if not then let me know |
Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 2:04pm
Crikey! I got that well wrong.  I'll try again.
Thanks.
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Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 2:17pm
That's got it! Plenty of Traffic now at Gatwick, (my usual depature airport), and the slider is only on 30% so plenty of room to spare. 
Thanks guys.
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Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 2:22pm
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Well that was short lived!
Sliders at 100%!
Started ok - 1 on finals, 1 on front of me to take off and 3 behind, I am thinking GREAT back to the old traffic days.....WRONG!
In the air all across the Netherlands and I see nothing in the air, a bit of radio chatter but no a/c.
I have an e mail from Martyn at JF who is looking into it. Hopefully it is just a glich...
Perhaps we will we get a thank you for being beta testers!
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Posted By: richie771
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 3:34pm
Yes but check the runway and taxiways - Empty!
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 3:40pm
| Yes, but the picture was taken 20 seconds after loading FSX. It takes a while for airliners to start arriving/departing. Give it 5 minutes and there will be plenty of movement |
Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 3:55pm
That's right, I noticed that too. Just wait a few mins and bingo, movement begins and the airport becomes a hive of activity. I haven't flown yet in Traffic X. Just sat and watched the traffic movements and it gets really busy as the flight plans kick in with arrivals and departures. I will admit though that I have only observed from Gatwick today since the hotfix but will observe traffic at some of the less busy airports in the coming days. By the way, my ears are starting to hurt from the headphones I've been that engrossed just watching!
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Posted By: bobbyz
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 3:55pm
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Have noticed that the AI traffic at airports waiting to take off can be buggy. Saw it at Gatwick (two runways) and have just been watching the two runways at Munich from the tower. Planes are lining up to take off from both runways and planes are landing at both as well. After a while, the plane at the front of the line might simply disappear instead of moving onto the runway and taking off. It seems to be happening when planes are landing and taking off from the same runway. At Munich, most planes were landing on 26L. A queue of planes built up to take off from 26L but not one of them did; they just disappeared after a short while. At the same time, some planes were being directed to 26R for take off. These queued up and could be seen taking off normally until an approaching plane was directed to land on that runway (instead of using 26L). After it had landed, the first plane in this queue now disappeared. The others moved forward and because, I assume, no more planes were coming into land on 26L, they then proceeded to tazi into position and take off normally. I've watched this pattern repeat itself a few times on 26R. A nice line of planes queue up and take off but then a random one is directed to land there and once its clear of the runway the first plane in the queue vanishes. The remaining planes in the queue then start taking off as normal until another plane is directed to land on 26R and the old vanishing act starts again. Sorry if that was all a bit long winded |
Posted By: Stringbean
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 4:02pm
| Exactly the same with Heathrow. My traffic slider was only on approx 30%. Everything ran smoothly until an aircraft landed on 09R where traffic was normally departing. Why it didn't use 09L where it should of gone or did a go-around. Anyhow, this upset the orderly flow of things and in the end, there was traffic landing and departing on 09L and 09R. Aircraft vanish because they have simply waited too long and have been timed out by flight Sim. |
Posted By: poochball
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 8:03pm
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I bought Traffic X last night after having earlier on in the day purchased a traffic addon from an alternate company.
The other traffic package was causing me some headaches, did not work properly and so I removed it and requested a refund.
Not content with empty Skies, I decided to have a look for Traffic Programs compatible with Flight Simulator X. I stumbled upon Traffic X and decided to take a chance.
So far I have been very impressed. The models are very nice and there is a good selection of traffic. I particularly like some of the older Liveries that are shown when the option is selected.
There is plenty going on in the skies too with contrails here and there and even a TCAS event to keep me going.
All in all it is the best Traffic Addon I have owned. Installed it and it worked and that is all I wanted.
Good Job JF.
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2008 at 9:23am
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Thanks for the feedback poochball, glad to hear you are enjoying it
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