i've got a massive framerate issue when i load the GR1. I can fly the PMDG with a constant framerate of about 30fps. But when i load the Tornado with the same settings the fps drop down to 5-max 10. Is anybody else having this problem? I think this can't be normal because the canberra is running so smooth. I was really excited about the release but at the moment it's unplayable for me. 

Greetings

I've waited a long time for this one and bitterly disappointed. Intel i7 3770k running at 4.5 ghz, GTX970 4gb graphics and 8 gig of RAM. Lovely model but the same low frame rate issue as above.

Steve M

Andy

Andy

This release was clearly not ready for prime time as these FPS issues are so obvious. Its not even close to usable in its current form.

Lets be upfront here.....this is not a 'cheap' priced addon and it should not be this plagued with performance issues on its 1st day of release.

The savings on the pre-pay suckered me into this purchase along with my love of the Tornado. Heart ruled head clearly on hitting the 'buy' button unfortunately.

Yep, ticket already submitted.

Re-loaded the Canberra demo file to see if that had issues, and no 25-30 fps without a problem :(

Maybe I'll get a refund and buy the Canberra as I should have done months ago.

Please respect what people are saying. We're not lacking in intelligence or else we wouldn't be politely asking for help.

Btw I have submitted a ticket.

Hoping for a miracle 

P3D v 2.5 current version

Latest Nvidia Drivers

 

I haven't had a chance to try the release version yet.

 

It's obvious that something is wrong for some people, but comments like "This release was clearly not ready for prime time as these FPS issues are so obvious." aren't deserved at all.  If there was an obvious issue with the release candidate, the beta testers would've said.

 

Also, I suggest that when posting in the forum or submitting a ticket, everyone is very specific about the model, airport, load configuration etc.  Beta testers can then see what's being reported and try and replicate it; helps with finding a cause of the problem.

No, something is definitely wrong: 10 fps in the pit and mid teens fps outside. And this with my I5-2500K and EVGA GTX 770 SC. 

But two other beta testers over at SOH, both also still running the RC, reported no particular FPS problem whatsoever, and one of them had a system almost identical to mine.

This makes me think that in the rush to get the plane out, something wasn't packed correctly in the release installer. 

Oh well, even in its present low fps state, the plane is certainly addictive to play with, and has the promise of being a classic once fixed. 

Hopefully this will get sorted out soon.

Thanks - Rob

If JF get this sorted asap, then we can all move on and start doing what I intend to do, fulfilling the dream of flying the first plane I built using an Airfix kit (albeit virtual).

Hi all

Andy

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/5422eb7f40f0b6134200007f/Tornado_GR4A__ZA_371_06-09.pdf

Dan

Original post:

"If you are suffering poor FPS and would prefer an exchange or refund rather than waiting for us to work through this issue, please let the customer service team know and they'll be happy to organise that for you."

I appreciate your frustration and the honest feedback in your earlier post but we are not, and never have, attempted to 'pull the wool' over our customer's eyes. We have always worked very hard to maintain our reputation as having some of the best customer service in the 'industry' and will do our best to resolve any issues that our customers are having.

Please contact the customer service team and they will arrange your refund:  http://www.justflight.com/support-contact" rel="nofollow - http://www.justflight.com/support-contact

I say this because your posts make no sense to me. 

EVERY developer you've quoted in your rant has actually released product that has not been optimised at release, continues to be optimised after release, and not only `would of` ( I think you mean `would have`- this is an English forum and we're not all from Essex, innit) they actually have done so. One - Milviz - only recently shared a P38L not fps-optimised at release. 

Oh, the irony.

Perhaps when you pick your grammar with more care, you might also extend that to your analogies..? 

This is a sophisticated addon that needs a sophisticated midset to its purchase, use and tolerance of ongoing development. If one is temperamentally unsuited to the challenge, one should avail oneself of a refund and get the hell out the way of the smart people - the ones who realise that `purchase` is embarkation, not destination...

For us its frustrating. For JF, they actually have peoples incomes riding on this working. They have far more to lose than we have and although I'm miffed, I'm not going to start a process of vilification against a bunch of people I've never met and who are the only people out there wanting to create high quality British jets. Do you think there are millions of people out there like us lining up to buy these addons?

So lets swallow down the frustration and give them a chance. Nobody here is going to lose anything, but the installation time.

I fully agree, lets give them a chance guys, I know they are talented people and their products are very high quality.

Andy

 

This is deliberately difficult. As has been commented, until the lift dumping is engaged if you are a touch too hard touching down you will bounce. One of the many videos I used as reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgorQfRY9w" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgorQfRY9w

 

1m10s onwards, there are two distinct touchdowns before the lift-dumping is engaged, and that is on a relatively smooth landing!

 

Speeds are also critical - use of the flap above recommended speeds will result in ballooning (note also the flap retraction speed table for take-off), and approach speed should be 140kts + 4kts for every 1000kg above 14000kg AUW. Exceed these speeds and it will float.

 

You may also note vibration when taxying at higher speeds / taking off - this is also from cockpit footage, the vibration should begin to take effect over about 30kts (so above normal taxy speeds) and begin to dissipate slightly above 100kts as the wings begin producing enough lift to take the weight of the airframe.

 

You may also note that the Tornado will taxy at idle thrust settings. This again is accurate, comment from a Tornado pilot on the testing team: "It will taxy at idle thrust at all but the heaviest weights, even then you only need a small nudge on the throttle to get moving and then back to idle. You generally allow it to get up to about 28kts in a straight line before bringing it back to about 18 using the brakes"

 

I hope that may help a little,

Paul.

Andy

Ok thanks, I thought I was missing something

Andy

A performance hotfix is now available:  http://www.justflight.com/support/tornado-gr1/e252580" rel="nofollow - http://www.justflight.com/support/tornado-gr1/e252580

We will be uploading a slightly updated version of it later this evening (GMT), so I would probably suggest downloading this tomorrow morning.

As explained in the hotfix text this is not a 'proper' service pack but a hotfix which should hopefully improve performance whilst we continue to look into the issue.

Thanks

Martyn - JF

TRF porpoises less, flight control easier etc, outside views fsp appear a bit lower but so what!!

Thankyou

P3D 2.5 latest version

Latest Nvidia Drivers

P3D installed on seperate SSD

The menu is not set correctly. Two tools and the manuals are just called NewShortcutX. The whole aircraft is newfolderX. (Win7/64 OS). As you can see, other Justflight titles installed properly 

So far, I didn't understand how to activate the thrust reversers. Maybe someone can explain me that. The manual didn't help me further.  

On my second landing attempt, the aircraft got pretty unstable before touching ground, rolling left and right. Maybe to little cpu time for me to correct it, making it shaking up to an uncontrollable situation. That's no fun. I had the wings forward, flaps set, 200 kts, what I think a good landing configuration.

Also strange after takeoff, I retracted the flaps and the wing got into fully backwards position, though I had the large fuel tanks under it. This shouldn't happen. What do I have a separate lever for the wing position, when retracting the flaps causes the wing to go into highspeed configuration?

Dan

 

Even with the Hindenburg tanks (full, 2500L), boz pod, skyshadow and sidewinders on the wings and the JP233 weapons under the fuselage (so a top-end weight scenario), a circuit and landing immediately after take-off would only require an approach speed of about 180kts. I've just flown that scenario and kept a fairly tight circuit with steep turns and at the required speeds with flaps down I can't see any uncommanded rolling.

 

Regarding your question on the flaps, are you using the "retract flaps fully" command? If so, don't! Two reasons: as you've seen, though there is a separate lever in the cockpit for wing sweep in terms of controlling via commands the sweep and flap are on the same (flap) command. Took some working out to get the lift and drag for the wingsweep  proportionate to the flaps, but that is how it is implemented. Secondly, there is a 'flap retraction speed' table in the manual - this gives the safe speeds for retracting the flaps. There is a difference between mid and full, so use the 'retract flaps incrementally' command and you should be good to go.

 

Thanks for your comments. I will testfly again tonight maybe. The rolling I described was like loosing lift on one wing. I tried to steer into the other direction and got a swinging, maybe also because I had not enough frames to be able to steer the aircraft successfully. 

Since the wing sweep is on a separate lever, I thought the JF Tornado has a discrete wing sweep and flaps command. At least, I thought, by clicking the wing sweep lever, I get the wing moved, without applying any flaps/spoilers. 

Is this lever moved by the flaps commands F5, F6, F7, F8? So far I used the mouse. Thought about assigning one of the throttle axis to it and do both engines with one throttle.

Dan

Have you found the manoeuvring flap/slat control yet? That is on a separate function - Wing fold / unfold - and applies a lower setting of flap to give a slight increase in lift for both the 25 and 45 deg wing sweep positions. In real life, this is a press and hold button, releasing retracts the flaps. Note that while they are extended you will not be able to alter the sweep position.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

that's the info I needed. Yes, I will no longer use F5/F8, but the F6/F7. I saw the slats extending with the wingfold command but not the flaps. Will have a look again.

And I also already fell out of the sky pressing the F5.

Thanks 

Dan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJF2khbSUSM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJF2khbSUSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zl_sfu-y6E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zl_sfu-y6E

Here are two videos showing the difficulties while landing. When below 180 kts, the aircraft sinks rapidly and the nose needs to be pulled up. The pitch is instable, pumping a lot. 

This with no tanks etc. wings spread, flaps full down. 

Also after going around, climbing the pitch is difficult to be kept stable

Sim is P3D2.5

Dan

 

If you are sinking, check your weight - even empty of all payload and pylons, if you take off with full internal fuel and go straight into the circuit to land you are looking in the region of 160kts for final approach. The aircraft will start to sink if you go much below the correct speeds.

 

I haven't got P3D but a couple of the testers have and I think the general feeling was that it was stable on the approach.

 

Paul.

I have programmed the soft trimming on the little wheel on top of the stick. After pulling back on takeoff, I try to trim the a/c to a steady climb, but with little effect. As if the autopilot was turning my trim up but the autopilot is off, of course. When I release the stick, the aircraft is going to level flight. It is just not keeping the direction I give it. I don't know if this is realistic for a jet with full afterburner. I think not. Would expect it  to climb.

I will definitely try landing with 25 % fuel. In P3D2 it is always full fuel, if you select an aircraft. So one has to think about reducing fuel every flight. 

Dan

Thanks

Martyn

I also have FSUIPC and programmed axis and keys. May have an influence. While testing the stick, I realized one button doesn't work anymore (rather rarely used in front of the throttle) I ordered a new stick and will check, if the newer performs better. 

Dan

P.S. Great news. I will try the patch then tonight and look forward to the SP

I get a Framerate of about 16-18 with the Tutorial Flight Situation at Marham AB. 

I removed fuel until 25%, set trim to zero. During takeoff, the nose goes down and the back up. I will have to try a takeoff with some trim up.

Landing was fine with less fuel but I had to apply spoilers to get her down on the runway. And surprise, the reverser buckets where engaged (heard that typical sound) and gave full throttle to break. At the end I got a complete powerloss and could correct a little drift. My steering didn't react and I went off the runway. Unfortunately I didn't have the camera running. 

Good night for now. 

Dan

After a week spent optimising the model and textures we are seeing greatly improved performance. We still have some work that we'd like to do and therefore unfortunately the update will not be available until early next week.

Here is a list showing what is currently included in the update:

- APU starting issue – fixed

- LP cock functionality added

- VC rotary/multi-position switch logic improved

- Battery draining with APU/ground power connected – fixed

- Engine start issues – fixed

- Air-to-air refuelling – tanker speed/altitude adjusted, autopilot system conflict removed, indicated airspeed added to tanker information bar

- Position of 2D panels adjusted for better visibility

- AI Tristar KC-1 texture issue – fixed

- AFDS throttle INC/DEC switch issue – fixed

- Temporary flameout shortly after takeoff - fixed

Thanks
Martyn

Is anyone else having a problem with the TFR, my poor Tornado porpoises like a good one, any ideas could be me could be frame rate related 

Cheers

I tried to cure the porpoising with setting pitch_stability=1.4 within the [flight_tuning] section of the aircraft.cfg. But it's also a matter of training. The longer I fly the Tornado, the better it is.

Is there a way to stop the alarm sound by a keyboard command?

Dan

Dan

Any news on the update ?

Will it be announced here or will customers recieve an email?

I love the aircraft but performance has been hit and miss. I have had a few nice flights but a lot of hours also waisted. I have ORBX England wales Scotland. Flying in UK is almost certainly not possable. Flying from any add on scenery is not usualy a good idea. The only good flights I have had have been from parts of the world where my FSX setup has no enhanced scenery or airports :(

Eagery awaiting the update so I can get some good use out of this much awaited aircraft

Apologies for the delay but there would be little point in us releasing an incomplete service pack at this stage. We hope that it will be worth the wait 

(I will announce the service pack here, but you will also receive an email notification too)