No Ryanair traffic at Stansted?
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Topic: No Ryanair traffic at Stansted?
Posted By: Andreas
Subject: No Ryanair traffic at Stansted?
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2014 at 7:51pm
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Hi! I just picked up UK2000 Stansted scenery since I thought it would be a great starting-point for flying to continental Europe with Ryanair but to my big surprise and disappointment, there is no Ryanair ai traffic there at all with Traffic 360. I see a lot of Easyjet, Buzz and others but not a single Ryanair flight. I have the latest Traffic 360 version installed and it hasn't been modified in any way. Does anybody know how I can get Ryanair traffic working? Cheers/Andreas |
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Posted By: Andreas
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2014 at 7:58pm
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Wow! Just checked Dublin airport, not a single Ryanair plane! This is really poor. It's like one of the biggest airlines in Europe and it's not even representing two of it's biggest hubs with Traffic 360. Can this be fixed somehow or am I just missing something? |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2014 at 6:31am
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I have Traffic X, not Traffic 360. "Ryanair" is in Traffic X under the name "Ryanair (RYR)". I would thus assume Ryanair should be a simple one to find in the Traffic 360 Traffic Control Centre, if it's there. If you can find Ryanair in your Traffic 360 Traffic Control Centre, then you can look at the flight plan schedules therein to find out which airports the planes fly to/from, and at what times. If, after checking the schedules in the Traffic 360 Traffic Control Centre, you determine that you need to add (more) Ryanair planes to these airports, then you can do so. Don't forget that if you do add/edit flight plans, you must COMPILE when you are finished so that your new/modified flights appear in the sim. |
Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2014 at 5:03pm
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Hi Andreas. I have Ryanair at Stanstead with Traffic 360. Regards Jim. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Jamessmith859019/media/JIMSMACHINE/Pictures/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2014-12-14_11-23-20-355_zps53d3217a.png.html" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: wain
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2014 at 8:22pm
| I have a=Ryanair in 360 too.... |
Posted By: Andreas
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2014 at 10:29pm
That's interesting, which flightplan/schedule are you using? I'll try to re-install to see if it helps. |
Jim wrote:Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2014 at 4:38am
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Andreas, If others DO have Ryanair traffic at Stansted, as they are confirming, then your issue may be something to do the UK2000 Stansted scenery that you have recently installed. Disable that in your FSX scenery library, or, uninstall it ... Then, after doing that, close and re-run FSX with that still disabled/uninstalled to see if you now have Ryanair traffic at Stansted. |
Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2014 at 10:00am
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Hi Andreas,I just installed Traffic 360.I haven't done anything else.As Freddy says you may have other problems. Jim. |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2014 at 11:10am
Like the other guys, I suspect something is wrong with your Traffic 360 files. Like Freddy, I only have Traffic X but as far as I know it is very similar to Traffic 360. If you go into the TCC (Traffic Control Centre) of Traffic 360 and click on "Flight Plans", and, under 'Airline/Carrier' scroll down the list to see if you have an entry "Ryanair,RYR,Ireland". If not then your installation has gone wrong, whereas, if it is there, then have you used the "Traffic Movements" button which is where you go to create a new compiled version of the flight plans, which is what FSX uses to show AI? If so, you may have created a newly compiled file but accidentally only compiled a limited number of the available schedule lists. If the "Ryanair,RYR,Ireland" file shows in the listings then you could, under "Traffic Movements", just compile this one on its own, to create a .bgl just for Ryanair. This will then allow FSX to display these AI. If you are a relative newcomer to Traffic 360 and find the Manual less than helpful then you will be joining a long queue of users, dating back to Traffic X, who have had difficulties trying to work out how to use the various facilities offered by Traffic X / 360. ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2014 at 2:32am
I'll add a sub-text to what Ray's said here ... It may be true that you might join that long queue of users who have had difficulties in the past trying to work out how to use the various facilities offered by Traffic X or Traffic 360 ... but do not get discouraged and do not despair. Sure, the manual and the interface could probably be better, and you may initially feel that things aren't working correctly ... but stick with it and give it a chance ... you'll soon come to realise that Traffic X and Traffic 360 do in fact work fine and they both greatly enhance the enjoyment and realism of the sim, whichever one of the two you are using. And, the bonus is that if you do have the desire or need to go that extra mile adding and editing AI, or simply just want to look up AI flight plans and understand how the AI works in your sim, both Traffic X and Traffic 360 definitely provide the tools, the features, and the means for you to do so. |
Posted By: Andreas
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2014 at 4:58pm
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Fixed it! I did a re-install but it didn't help so I turned up the VFR traffic (usually I have it off) and violá! There were the Ryanair planes. It's kind of weird that you have to have the VFR slider turned up to see tubeliners, as long as it works I guess. Thank you all for your help! |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2014 at 11:56pm
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Interesting. VFR. I agree that's kind of weird having to set the VFR slider up to see those aircraft. But, as you say, as long as it works ... |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:51am
Yes, but I wonder if any other Traffic 360 users are getting the same situation? Jim, it sounds as if you did not have any problems with Ryanair AI at Stansted, etc. If you reduce your VFR traffic in FSX to 0%, do your Ryanair AI disappear? (I cannot do this test as I am still only a Traffic X user but am still interested in the workings of Traffic 360.) ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 10:29am
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Hi Ray. Reducing the slider by half I only had one Ryanair visible,back to 100% plenty. Jim. |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 11:29am
Strangely interesting! Sorry to keep asking but, when a Ryanair plane is preparing to leave a parking spot, does it use a Ryanair callsign e.g. "Ryanair 5135" or similar, or does it use the aircraft registration? ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 6:50pm
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Cant help you on this Ray,I haven't noticed any A1 aircraft moving at Stanstead. Jim. |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 10:12pm
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Ray, I see where you are going with this. I actually thought along the same lines, but thought it best to just leave it all alone as it was working now. But, by you doing the follow up, you have re-sparked my interest. In the Traffic X forum, in the http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=23667&title=circuit-until" rel="nofollow - Circuits Until topic, I mentioned a post by Jim Vile that I had seen on another forum. (Jim has a well-earned reputation as being an expert in this kind of stuff) ... Copied below are Jim's words: ============================================= Just for clarification the atc_airline= is not just for an ATC airline call sign. The line entry atc_airline= places that type of plane in the FSX Airline slider. Remove that line and the plane will now be part of the GA slider. atc_airline= can be blank; it does not require a name. atc_id=N737T atc_airline= atc_flight_number= For the example above, ATC will call the plane by the tail number N737T. But if we add a flight_number ATC uses that. Add the airline name, and ATC will use that instead (if available in the FSX lists) to call the name. Its all based on a building system of what lines exist and then what is placed in those lines. ============================================= Jim's post was talking about how to get ATC to say certain things ... but in relation to our discussion here it would be a good idea to check the Ryanair's aircraft.cfg files and see if they have the atc_airline entry. They DO have that entry in Traffic X, and therefore I would suggest they will also have it in Traffic 360 ... but it is worth checking all the same ... |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 10:55pm
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Jim, if you have read Freddy's latest comments, are you up to looking at the "aircraft.cfg" file for the Ryanair aircraft? Please don't do this if you are unsure but if you are happy to look in - \FSX\Simobjects\Traffic360\JFAI_B7372. Open the 'aircraft.cfg' by left clicking on it. Scroll down until you see an entry similar to "title=JFAI_TX_B7372_RY". A few lines below this will be a line "atc_airline= ". Is there anything immediately after the equals sign (on the same line)? This would be very interesting to know but, AGAIN, if you are not used to looking through these files then please don't worry about doing what I am asking. ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: rockon01uk
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 1:26pm
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Hi just seen this post and had the same problem with Ryanair, amongst others like some military etc, that they only load if the GA slider is used. Also ATC calling them by their tail number and just calling them Boeing as type of aircraft i.e. not 737-200 Had a look at the aircraft.cfg file and for Ryanair there are a few liveries and have the lines:- atc_airline=RYANAIR COMPANY LIVERY, atc_airline=RYANAIR HERTZ LIVERY, atc_airline=RYANAIR KILKENNY LIVERY etc So I take it we can just take out the livery name from the relevant line and just keep it as atc_airline=RYANAIR ? |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 2:07pm
This information is very strange indeed and may possibly be the cause of Ryanair aircraft being 'controlled' by the GA slider. I would expect that all of the "atc_airline=" entries should just contain RYANAIR as per your last sentence. it will not do any harm for you to edit them in this way. If you look at the aircraft.cfg file for, say, the A321 aircraft, what are the entries for "atc_airline=" in this file - are they simply airline names or otherwise? For military aircraft, the entry normally is "atc_airline=Air Force" so that they are always called by the name "Air Force 316" or whatever, in a similar way that that you should be getting Ryanair aircraft being called "Ryanair 2315", i.e. "Ryanair" plus the flight number. The other problem that you mention about not calling the aircraft a Boeing 737-200 but just a Boeing is another possible problem with entries in the same "aircraft.cfg" file which we had better leave for now until we get the main bit sorted out. ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: rockon01uk
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 4:47pm
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There is Ryanair in \\SimObjects\JFTraffic360\JFAI_B737-200_g1 and \\SimObjects \JFTraffic360\JFAI_B737-800_g1. All changed to atc_airline=RYANAIR. From my test depending on which schedule you are using it'll be the 737-200 / 737-800 that will spawn. I am using the Summer Schedule 2013 only at the mo and only the 737-800 spawned, so you'll need to change both the 737-200 and 800 configs. Checked the airbus files also and the atc_airline= is a bit hit and miss. Some airlines are blank, some have the airline instead of call sign ( not sure if it matters) and the likes of BA has Speed Bird instead of Speedbird. If I also remember rightly, when using SuperTrafficBoard that some flights are mentioned, but you can't follow/see an AI plane or it is greyed out until the GA slider is used then some may appear. Strange goings on but the atc_airline= will need altered by the looks of things. |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 4:56pm
On my system "Speed Bird" works as BA callsign. ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 1:16am
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For the correct values that need to be entered for atc_airline, open your "C:\...\Flight Simulator X" folder and find the file "airlines.cfg". If you open that file in Notepad, you will see the list of airline names. Warning: Do NOT make manual edits and modifications to the "airlines.cfg" list. For the atc_airline parameter in the "aircraft.cfg" file, enter the name exactly as it appears in the "airlines.cfg" file. (Case doesn't matter for the atc_airline parameter, so you can enter it in upper case, lowercase, or whatever.) For the more advanced users who like to dabble in such things, you can use the EditVoicepack program to add and edit ATC phrases, including airline names (adding or editing airline names makes changes in the "airlines.cfg" file). You can either purchase a licence to use the latest releases, or you can choose to download an earlier version that's free but is no longer supported. For FSX, I have been using the earlier EditVoicepack X 4.0 version for ages and it works just fine. Here's the link: http://editvoicepack.com/" rel="nofollow - EditVoicepack . |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 2:17pm
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Freddy, as always, you have come up with a piece of useful info - namely the file "airlines.cfg". I have not noticed this before now. I notice that the time stamp on my file is 13.07.14 i.e. not that long ago. What might be adding to this file - I certainly have never directly edited this file myself? I use EDITVOICEPACK myself from time to time but am surprised that this is likely to add to or edit this file. ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 11:41pm
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Ray, With EditVoicepack, after you add a new phrase or airline names, or make modifications to existing phrases or airline names, you will want to import your changes in to FSX so that AI aircraft and ATC can use and say them. You would click on the FILE menu and then on the UPDATE VOICEPACK menu option. From there, a wizard then guides you through the process. As part of that process, the following screen appears (see screenshot). If you have this checked (ticked) then the "airlines.cfg" file is updated. Note that, as the screen says, you do not need to update the "airlines.cfg" list in order for AI aircraft and ATC to use the phrase. As long as you use the correct (matching) IDENTIFIER for the atc_airline entry in the "aircraft.cfg" file, your phrase will be used by AI aircraft and ATC. However, for completeness, and if I need to look it up later, I find it is easier to simply let EditVoicepack update the "airlines.cfg" file. The cool thing about the "airlines.cfg" file is that whenever you notice AI aircraft or ATC is not calling out the airline name for a plane, or is calling the wrong name, then you can check this list and compare against the atc_airline entry in the respective plane's "aircraft.cfg" file.  |
Posted By: RayM
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 1:18pm
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Freddy, as always, you have explained it perfectly. Thanks ------------- A long time FSXA and Traffic X user |
Posted By: freddy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:51pm
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