Engine sounds
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Printed Date: 23 Apr 2024 at 12:41pm
Topic: Engine sounds
Posted By: Fairmont.
Subject: Engine sounds
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 11:15am
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The engines in flight emit the sounds of an idling engine. After installing the Sonic Solutions pack I can still hear the idling sounds, albeit now a little over-ridden by the roar you would expect - but the idling sound remains and is driving me nuts, spoiling every flight. I have been in the cockpit of a DC3 in flight (and have the Classic Cockpits DVD of a real aircraft cockpit in flight) and I do not recall this idling sound. In fact the default DC3 engine sounds are better.
Has anyone else experienced this, and if so do you have any suggestions?
I am running FSX on a Quad Core machine with Windows 7/64 bit.
Regards.
John G
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Posted By: johnwillimas
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 10:59am
| Yes, you're right, I've got this problem too..... |
Posted By: papeg
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 2:12pm
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I, for one, have not seen this problem. ------------- Greg |
Posted By: VH-MAL
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:14pm
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Me too!
Malcolm
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 11:10pm
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Hi,
Please report this to the support team so that it can be investigated. Thanks. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Just-Flight/15266573498" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Fairmont.
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 1:30am
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I have reported it and the answer was that this idling sound is embedded in the sound file and cannot be removed.
If this is the case then shouldn't a new sound file be created as a patch?
J.G.
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Posted By: yann975
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2011 at 6:24pm
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It's same for me. And when We flight night Can't close dome light. |
Posted By: BertAtHome
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2011 at 8:33pm
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Hi,
I noticed the idle sound during cruise also. Its indeed very annoying! Engine sounds on the DC3 should be key enjoyment. That why we fly the DC3! Hoop for a solution soon. |
Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 12:46am
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Great plane but I hope they fix that sound because it messes up the sound.
Also I get tired of hearing the idle sound
 Eddie
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Posted By: ShawnG
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:44pm
| same here as well, also have W7/64 |
Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 10:19pm
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Just wondering if the sound package that Sonic Solutions sells for other DC-3 has the same problem. If not, will it work with J/F DC-3? I say that because of this statement "If anyone has already installed the Sonic Solutions DC-3 sound pack, they should still install this upgrade as the sounds have been modified specifically for our DC-3". I will pay the 12.00 bucks just to get rid of the idling sound. Eddie
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Posted By: Fairmont.
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 11:07pm
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Eddie,
I have completely deleted the DC3 package and the Expansion Pack, then reloaded both followed by the Service Pack1 update (I didn't reload the Sonic Solutions add-on at this stage). What do I find? The damned idling sound is still there.
I would avoid this product and put your money elsewhere. I am very disappointed, as you can see. I think the DC3 package is a dismal failure because of the sound. Just one little thing has let an otherwise reasonable product down. But then the graphics in the cockpit are a bit yesteryear, too.
John G
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Posted By: iandiss
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 9:11am
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The Sonic sound package is awful. After long searches I found this one, I think at flightsim.com. It does lack some of the functions of dedicated FSX sound files but it is the best of those I have installed. The file is "dc3sond.zip" for fs2004. Rename the sonic sound file to something like "orig_sound" and create a new "sound" folder then copy the the files in the zip file to the new "sound" folder. You've got nothing to lose other than awful sounds. Looking at the sonic website the $12.00 seems to be as bad as the sound update provided. As for the cockpit I attended the Avalon Airshow at Avalon, Victoria, Australia,over the last 3 days and looked at several DC-3's. The only thing you can say is that there is no standard layout. The instrument panel in the JF DC-3 is almost exactly the same as an ex RAAF DC-3retired in 2002. The over head panels have all been updated at some time and are more like the MAAM DC-3, but not exactly. Some have early GPS units others the Garmin 430. Depends on what you want, a 1930's layout or one thats been modified over the yaers to be almost modern. dissy ------------- If it aint round it aint got the sound |
Posted By: Fairmont.
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 10:09pm
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Thanks for the sound file tip, dissy. You're right about the Sonic Solutions update - the horrible sound is there with it and withour it, which to me says Sonic Solutions ain't what they say they are. Buyer beware!
JF and Sonic Solutions got it right for external sounds, though...it's just a terribel shame they ignored the internal engine sounds. Attention to detail in a product offered for sale is so important.
I have been in the cockpit of several DC3's, too (and in flight) and I noticed the differences, as well, which obviously is brought about, in the main, by changing rules, regulations, and advances in technology (safety as well), as I'm sure most of us are aware. I wasn't referring to what was in the cockpit in my earlier post but the graphics: for an item with $ attached to it I expected better (a look at other products will illustrate my meaning): the outside is fine, though.
I still hope that JF will do something about this sound, though. It doesn't do their image any good.
Regards,
John G
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Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 6:54pm
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Hey guys, Vance here from Sonic Solutions. I've recieved no help tickets from Just Flight DC3 customers or from Just Flight themselves regarding any issues about the audio add on I supplied for them. Seems everyone is content to just moan about it here on the forums.
Fairmount you said "I have completely deleted the DC3 package and the Expansion Pack, then reloaded both followed by the Service Pack1 update (I didn't reload the Sonic Solutions add-on at this stage). What do I find? The damned idling sound is still there." If my sound pack is completly removed and you still here idling then wouldn't that tell you it's something other than the sound pack causing the issue?
Regardless, Let me take a look and see what's up. I don't have the service pack so I'll leave it up to JF to get me any updates so I can fix it if it's something wrong with the pack I supplied them.
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Posted By: iandiss
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 9:37pm
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Hi Vance, I am guilty of not going through the support system. The issue with the sound pack is the embedded idle sound in the cockpit when at climb cruise and descent. The external sounds are very good. What we all want to hear is that throaty radial roar from the cockpit. Hope you can find the problem for us. Regards dissy |
Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 11:20pm
The embedded idle sound can be heard on the outside as well. I bought the DC-3 after the patch was out. With that said I did not need the patch and I added the expansion pack. I can hear the idle sound. Just my 2 cents worth
Eddie
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Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 11:41pm
| I'm not concerned with the outside as all compalints are about the interior idle. If someone could email me their sound.cfg file so I can compare it and test it that would be great. Email to mailto:sonicsolutions@live.ca - sonicsolutions@live.ca |
Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 11:54pm
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Well Vance I am sorry you are having a bad day, that reply was harsh ! If the sound is on the outside then why not be concerned??? Fix one then the other ok but just because you only have one compalint about the outside I would think you would check it as well. Maybe they are linked!
 Eddie
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vance wrote:Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 12:02am
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Hi Eddie, Sorry you feel my comment was harsh. I've seen alot of harsh comments directed to me in this thread yet I was willing to help out.
The reason why I'm not concerned about the outside is that it has nothing to do with the interior. The exterior and interior sound design does not share any code or assetts with each other.
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Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 12:09am
Vance,
They should not have spoken bad about your sound set as well. And you know your product better than I
 I just wanted to let you know that I hear the idel sound outside as well
Thank for trying to fix it!
Eddie
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Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 12:33am
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I think I know what the issue may be and we'll see if others agree. There's no real errors in anything but the idle sound is present in all RPM ranges and it does pitch up and down with RPM changes. Does everyone experience that or are people hearing the idle sound not changing pitch and just idling all the way through RPM's.
If people are hearing the interior idle pitching up and down with RPM changes then it's working as designed as it's part of many layers in the interior that play at various and sometimes all ranges. If this is the case then JF will have to get in touch with me and a re-design for the interior would be needed if that's what they want.
I'll wait for their contact and expect more interesting comments about myself and my work.
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Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 1:03am
I hear the idle sound inside and out. both sound like there is no change in pitch.
Eddie
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Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 1:08am
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If the idle isn't changing pitch than it sounds broken for sure. If you would Eddie please email me your sound.cfg to mailto:sonicsolutions@live.ca - sonicsolutions@live.ca |
Posted By: eatkins
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 1:45am
Done
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Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 1:57pm
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I got a few emails with your cfg's, thanks guys. I'll check it out |
Posted By: robert41
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2011 at 5:50am
| My sounds, in the VC, are ok but are very quiet. Outside sounds are fine. I have the sonicsolution sound pack. FSX/accel. Win 7-64. But I have this problem with every multi engine aircraft in FSX. Except for A2A's Accusim. Single engine aircraft sounds are good. I have tried many diifferent sound packs, with the same results. FS9 sound packs are really bad with multi engine aircraft, but are good with single engine aircraft in FSX. I have FS9 installed as well and the sounds are fine. I believe it is a problem with FSX itself. Hopefully someone can figure out these issues. |
Posted By: iandiss
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2011 at 9:39am
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Hi Vance, The best DC-3 sounds I have found in various file libraries is a file "dc3sond.zip" for fs2004. The author says that the sounds were recorded in the cockpit of a DC-3. If the cockpit sounds of your package were like, or better than, this I know that I would be happy. Regards dissy |
Posted By: vance
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2011 at 2:32pm
| So I examined all the CFG's that were sent to me and the idle is indeed changing in pitch and volume for both interior engines. |
Posted By: HKnox
Date Posted: 10 May 2011 at 4:50pm
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I am a new user of this DC-3, and am equally disappointed with the idle sound intrusion. My first reaction was to alias the default DC-3, and at least fly with a little peace of mind, but the change to the sound config file didn't change anything! I even deleted the entire sound folder and still got the same original sounds. How is this possible?
Could someone please explain this? I am presuming the sound file is embedded in the air or model files, and doesn't require the sound folder to operate,
We could all temporarily solve the sound problem if we could alias another sound file.
I am also using the Manfred Jahn Skytrain and have aliased the WOP B-17 sounds to it and it sounds great.
HK
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Posted By: HKnox
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 4:17am
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This is a follow-up on my previous post.
Like an idiot, I was modifying the sound file of the DEFAULT DC-3!
After realizing my stupid mistake, I opened the JF DC-3 sound files and was able to alias other sounds from there successfully.
HK
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Posted By: RoughLandings
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:14pm
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I have found this sound set works pretty well: http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=douglas_dc-3_c-47_sounds.zip&CatID=root&Go=Search |
Posted By: AndyUK
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 10:31pm
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Thanks for that link, I've now got some much better audible feedback to changes in power and rpm settings. Pity that JF haven't seen fit to take any action to sort out this weak spot as it spoils what seems so far to be quite a reasonable product. Andy L
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Posted By: Lethal Mitch
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 3:10pm
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Hi all, The exterior sounds are absolutely music to my ears, but sadly there seems little comparison to what I hear in the cockpit. I notice from previous posts that the sound creator has posted offering help, tested some files and reported that they do indeed change pitch with throttle settings. Encouraging to see this type of partcipation but Sir, you really need to listen to the interior sounds apart from pitch change as they're way off. No insult intended, I just feel the awesome exterior sounds are let down in the cockpit where the simmer will spent most of their time. Example here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgxCRzqxXRs&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgxCRzqxXRs&feature=related Just a FYI post and to add my voice to the other guys here, but honestly a bit disappointed to see the product let down in such a way and that JF/Sonic Solutions haven't got their heads together and had a look at it properly. Mitch |
Posted By: grayiron
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:43am
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Have I missed something or are the issues
with the idle sound still unresolved? Very disappointed with JF. Makes one
think twice before purchasing any other JF products. |
Posted By: Lethal Mitch
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 3:32pm
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Yes the engine sounds still remain an issue. There has been no official recognition of this at all as far as I'm aware, which is a bit disappointing. Shame really as it is otherwise an excellent product. Mitch
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Posted By: grayiron
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 11:59pm
I sent an email to JF asking when they intended
to provide a fix for the sound issue.
They indicated that they have no plans to revise the sound files. I responded with a request for a refund based
on the sound problems being a material defect and inhibiting the beneficial use
of their product. I put my chances of
getting a refund as somewhere around being eaten by a bear and getting hit by a
meteor, simultaneously. 
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Posted By: Rich
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 10:20am
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If you purchased within the last 30 days then you can make use of our no-quibble policy. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Just-Flight/15266573498" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: SpamValiant
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 1:54pm
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What's most disappointing is that you think that that's an acceptable answer.
One of your customers has a legitimate problem with your product, a complaint that other people clearly agree with and have said so, politely, for some time.
You could have said ,"We'll try to get something sorted for you."
You could have said ,"I'm afraid there's nothing we can do at this point, but here's a link to a soundset you might prefer, and here are some instructions for how to use it with out product."
You could even have said, "I'm sorry that you're disappointed with out product, is there any way we sort this out for you? If not, then of course we'll refund your money."
But instead you just fire off the equivalent of, "Well if you don't like it then we don't want you as a customer. Hope you bought it in the last 30 days or you're out of luck."
Seriously, if you worked for me and behaved like that on a forum for my customers, with a tag telling everyone that you were staff no less, I would fire you in a heartbeat and not look back. ------------- 
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Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 9:19am
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Hi, The developer of the sound-set used in the DC-3 has contributed to this thread (Vance), and has checked his sound files but as you can see from this posts, he has been unable to identify the cause of the idle sounds. We will ask him to take a look again. Thanks Martyn ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2011 at 1:57pm
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Could anyone that is encountering this issue please drop me an e-mail (martyn[at]justflight.com), as I have an alternate sound-set for you to try. Thanks Martyn ------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: iandiss
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 1:28am
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Hi Martyn, Thanks for the new sound file. I have used it and checked it against videos on U-Tube of DC-3 take-off cruise and landings, taken from the cockpit. As far as I can see the new file is very accurate in all phases of flight. The only difference I could find was that the volume on take off seemed a little low and the "roar" of the engines still has a little bit of backgrond rattle. This is a great improvement and will remain as my prefered sound cfg file. Many thanks Ian Diss |
Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 8:53am
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Thanks for the feedback Ian, I will stick a patch up on the DC-3 support page to install this modified sound-set.
------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: Martyn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 4:56pm
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The patch is now available: http://www.justflight.com/faqs.asp?drdProduct=255#Update448 - http://www.justflight.com/faqs.asp?drdProduct=255#Update448
------------- Martyn Just Flight Ltd |
Posted By: RoughLandings
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2011 at 9:01pm
| Thanks for the update. As soon as my finals are done later this week I'll get it installed and check it out. |
Posted By: CaptainIFLY
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2012 at 4:22am
I've had some other aircraft with that IDLING sound as well at higher RPM's while in Flight, fortunately for me tho,,, I have over 4000 Aircraft I've collected for my FSX Gold/ Acceleration sim, and I just swapped soound files and kept the names of the ones that mattered to the new Wav files and now I've got a great sounding DC-3,, I also have Univer's great looking DC-2 (PAYWARE) and with all these DC-3's including the FSX Default ones I've got quite a collection, Ahh you should see all 23 of my Custom painted C46 Commando's too !! 
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