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MartinW wrote: Continue to ignore the fact that he may well be innocent, that the evidence against him was probably fabricated, that there were no less than SIX grounds for miscaraige... But I strongly suggest you drop the 'he deserves it' aspect of the debate. He may well not deserve it.   Extreme feelings are a bit pointless when there is evidence that he may be an innocent man.

fair point Vulcan&Martin however,
I find it hard to beleive that this man is not related to it what so ever.  Anybody even SLIGHTLY in the know with this plot deserve to spend life in jail.  I really find it hard to beleive this man is completely innocent.

Anybody even SLIGHTLY in the know with this plot deserve to spend life in jail. 

Something stinks about the whole thing.

I find it hard to believe that if it was state sponsored as is alleged, they would have been so sloppy as to get caught, in which case there's a high chance this chap is a stitched up stooge.

Also, suddenly dropping the appeal when he's be adamant about proving his innocence is just not right. Doesn't make sense.

Finally, this country seems to be heading towards justice by the vox populi. There are laws and rules which dictate the tariff for sentencing, the availability of parole, and yes, compassionate release etc.

The move towards "trial by Sun/Mirror" is the slippery slope imho, and it seems crass to ask the victims family what they think of it - they (with some notable and very sensible exceptions) will universally agree that they should throw away the key, regardless of their entitlements under the law.

He was found guilty, of a heinous crime by a jury of his peers, for which he was sentenced, and is now terminally ill. If release on compassionate grounds is provided for by law then that is entirely proper.

I don't see anyone complaining about Ronnie Biggs being released.....

(Convicted by his peers, escaped, lived it up abroad for years, then came back, terminally ill, and he's now a folk hero...)

(As always. .  .hoping not to fall out with anyone)

""So if he just happened to suspect that 'maybe' there was a bombing afoot, he should spend his life in jail, and stay there despite suffering terminal cancer? I see, measured response that then isn't it?""

Okay then Martin. You are not involved in, but have reason to beleive that (god forbid) a school child is about to be killed.  You would say something to the authorities, not leave it.  Not doing so would make you just as guilty because you could intervine and save a life.
Secondly if you WERE involved (but not heavily, just a minor asset)  you should STILL get just as long for contributing / aiding in such an horrific act

Okay then Martin. You are not involved in, but have reason to believe that (god forbid) a school child is about to be killed.  You would say something to the authorities, not leave it.  Not doing so would make you just as guilty because you could intervene and save a life.

MartinW wrote: Okay then Martin. You are not involved in, but have reason to believe that (god forbid) a school child is about to be killed.  You would say something to the authorities, not leave it.  Not doing so would make you just as guilty because you could intervene and save a life.   Actually no, of course not. You wouldn't be just as guilty, that is silly. Comparing an act of 'cold blooded murder' to 'not telling the authorities' and administering an 'equal' punishment is nuts. On that basis there would be no graduated penalties, we would all get the same severe punishment.   Laws already exist for such eventualities and the penalties are graduated.   Secondly if you WERE involved (but not heavily, just a minor asset)  you should STILL get just as long for contributing / aiding in such an horrific act   Of course not, the law doesn't work that way and never has.   Your reactions to posting in the wrong forum are overreactions. . . .   Err, no, just doing my job Chris, the job I was asked to do.

Ronnie biggs got life and he wasnt a major asset.  Reading my previous post and your post again, Ive realised that the first part you are perfectly correct because I said "reason to beleive"
If you knew it was to happen, surely you would have to tell the authorities ?

I think you have more life experiance about these kind of things so ill try and calm down next time !

OOH and the post thing was a joke

Again, there are serious doubts that this guy was actually involved, but as is the situation with Governments all kinds of dodgy deals go on, and the truth soon gets lost.

Best regards,
Vulcan.

But he is guilty

Being found guilty, and actually being guilty are two different things, however yes you are correct.

Does he reallly?

Oh come on. He's been diagnosed, by doctors - there's going to be quite a few people involved including several senior oncologists I'd imagine to confirm the diagnosis.

This isn't some two-bit country - the medical fraternity have pride in their profession. No diagnosis from a doctor, no release - that simple - so yes, he does have cancer.

i say i have zero pity for him dying a slow death

Pity is irrelevant, what is are his entitlements to compassionate release under UK law.