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767nutter 
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 Topic: Pilot Sues FA's for speaking upPosted: 28 Apr 2009 at 5:41pm |
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A Pilot is sueing 3 Flight Attendants after they spoke up about their concern over icing on the wing, the Pilots ignored their concerns twice, and the FA's eventually had to tell a white lie to get the FO to come out of the Flightdeck and have a look himself, all the while the plane was waiting for Take off clearance,
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Posted: 28 Apr 2009 at 11:06pm |
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Basically the Cabin Crew will know by experience if there is a dangerous situation and the Pilots should have listened to them instead of brushing it aside. If saying the PAX were concerned about the frost/ice on wings and thats what it takes to get the Pilot to come back and have a look then so be it. But for the Pilot to sue them and the airline to abandon them is scandelous. At the end of the day de-icing was a safety issue not something to 'cover the pilots ass'
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Posted: 28 Apr 2009 at 11:27pm |
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Ice on the wing is potentially very, very dangerous and I think any concerns that are expressed about it (and also the general airworthiness of the aircraft) should be taken very seriously. It's wrong for the pilot to sue them because of this. I think some pilots seem to forget that Flight Attendants are crew members as well as themselves - they're all part of one big team, and so any concerns raised by any one of them should be taken on board.
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Tom |
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767nutter
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 9:27am |
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I would like to say that really the Flight Attendants possilby saved the Pilots from a thrashing themselves. |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 5:55pm |
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I think the cabin crew have a right to tell the flight crew but the safety and operations of that aircraft is down to the captain, i think the chances of a captain taking a aircraft out if he felt it was at rish unlikley, i would imagine reding between the lines the crew kicked up a stink in front of the passengers so he had no choice but to get it de iced
Dosnt make the cabin crew right! Flightboy |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 7:02pm |
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I remember reading about this a couple of months ago. Apparently the crew were experienced at their job, and knew something was wrong because they'd never seen the wing in such a state just before take-off.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:44pm |
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Another one for CRM lessons.
What a twit. |
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 10:10pm |
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Famous last words.  Some Captains can be very arrogant.People seem to forget that the FAs primary duty is safety of the passengers/aircraft. Yes, the commander has the final say, but they are partly responsible for raising any issues they find. Ice on the wings has contributed to more than a few crashes. Best regards, Vulcan. Edited by VulcanB2 - 30 Apr 2009 at 10:11pm |
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Posted: 01 May 2009 at 7:31am |
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If it was a 757/767 the pilot would not be able to switch anti-ice on for T/O |
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CyprusAirwaysA330
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Posted: 01 May 2009 at 7:48am |
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If there's already ice on the wings before takeoff, and you don't deice, the planes onboard de-icing system isn't going to help much. I think the plane was a A32x, a 757/767 would have more F/As. |
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767nutter
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Posted: 01 May 2009 at 4:17pm |
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I think the cabin crew have a right to tell the flight crew but the safety and operations of that aircraft is down to the captain
Just because the final say is down to the captain it doesn't mean it is always the right one.
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Posted: 01 May 2009 at 6:14pm |
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Quite so. There's a big difference between airframe anti-ice systems, and de-icing before take off. |
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Posted: 02 May 2009 at 4:35pm |
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The clue is in the names;
anti-icing; mainly preventing ice build up,
de-icing; using special fluid to get rid of the ice
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i think the chances of a captain taking a aircraft out if he felt it was at rish unlikley