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    Posted: 24 Jan 2009 at 11:19am
Obama has his work cut out, to repair the damage caused by the previous administration in many areas. In addition he has a global environmental criss to deal with, with species extinction happen at 1000 times the normal rate. partly through GW and partly due to other causes.
 
Has there been a tougher challenge for a new president?
 
 
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The world needs US leadership to begin honestly accounting for the state our natural assets

The global environment is rapidly reaching a tipping point, much like our global economy.

Once it passes that point, it will be all the more difficult to pull it back to stability.

Our Earth is being altered to the point where it cannot sustain much of the life that has thrived for millennia; species extinctions today are occurring at an estimated 1,000 times the normal rate.

When our landscapes, rivers and coral reefs can no longer sustain robust species populations, humans are also in trouble.

People depend on healthy ecosystems for the very fundamentals of survival: clean air, fresh water, soil regeneration, crop pollination and other resources that we often take for granted until they are scarce or gone.

Just as the current financial crisis reveals how the world's economies are interconnected, we also must recognise the fundamental links between human well-being and Earth's ecosystems.

When we abuse and degrade the natural world, it affects our health, our social stability and our wallets.

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Quote partly due to other causes.

I'm pleased you said that!

I was reading an article the other day saying that in the 70s, the EU passed a clean air bill. Since they did that, EUROPEAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE has risen 0.5°C per decade. That was 40 years ago - that's an AVERAGE rise of 2°C in the period.

Why? Clean air means more sunlight can reach the surface, resulting in increased warming. End of. They have also ADMITTED that climate models do NOT correctly model what has been occuring in the EU over that period. When I find the article, I'll be sure to post a link to it.

You like New Scientist - here ya go! This is what the IPCC were saying back in 1992.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13318050.600-clean-air-will-expose-europe-to-global-warming-.html

Quote 'The implication must be that, as countries clean up sulphur emissions to halt the damage from acid rain, temperatures will rise,' says Bruce Callander of the Meteorological Office, a leading member of the IPCC working group on the science of climate change.

See how their position changes based on the current political climate (no pun intended)? Wink

This is what they're saying today:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090118/twl-environment-us-climate-fog-1202b49.html

That's close to the article I read. The BBC ran a similar article.

Quote In Europe, however, temperatures have been outpacing climate models and Van Oldenborgh and colleagues wanted to find out why.

They collected data from 342 weather stations at airports across Europe and measured the levels of fog, mist and haze going back to 1976.

I presume you're familiar with what happens when data points become skewed in a dataset, that the average can be adversely affected? It would most certainly explain that hockey-stick graph (up to around 2000 at least) where it inexplicably starts rising faster than the past. As I raised at the time, WHAT HAPPENED AROUND THE 70s TO CAUSE THIS SUDDEN INCREASE? Here is our answer: the clean air bill in Europe. It is far too co-incidental for it to be a mistake.

Something else not mentioned is the loss of temperature measuring equipment from the former Soviet Union. They had a network of 15,000 stations. Now they only have 5,000, and most of those lost were located in some of the coldest parts of the planet. This will also have the effect of skewing data.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MartinW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2009 at 2:41pm
I'm pleased you said that!
 
Big%20smile Yes the Topic is more about species extinction as a result of 'all' causes. The biggest causes of species extinction are not to do with GW. It may well be the main cause in time though.
 
New Scientist is better than Conspiracy Monthly.  .
 
This post wasn't about global warnming but if you insist.
 
From your link, the bit you conveniently left out...  Wink
 
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Western Europe could face higher temperatures in the next few years as governments clean up acid rain, according to scientists at Britain's Meteorological Office.

Global warming, evident over most of the rest of the planet in the past decade, has so far been 'slow or absent' over the northwest Atlantic and Western Europe, according to the conclusions of a revised assessment by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released last week. A prime reason has been the shielding from the Sun's heat provided by sulphur emissions from power stations, one of the main sources of acid rain.

So thats Western Europe, rather than the entire globe, so localised. There will always be varaibles such as this and the recent La Nina event. The overall upward trend marches on though. By the way, never a good idea to listen to 'A' scientist, listen to them all when they've formed a consensus.
 
See how their position changes based on the current political climate
 
Which is of course nonsense, they were talking about a localised event and also acknowledged the warming over the rest of the planet.
 
It was also 1992 Vulcan a full 17 years ago. Knowledge has increased, models are better, and short term variables have come and gone.
 
Pity you weren't interested in the poor animals that are becoming extinct [through many causes] like the fact that there are now only white rhinos left that are of non breeding age.
 
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I am interested in them, but I can't do anything about it. Cry

Instead of burning money and resources fighting wars, we'd do better try and ?help? the planet a bit IMHO. GW is one small piece of the overall eco-system. We need to clean up a lot more than we have, in every respect.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MartinW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2009 at 2:04pm

GW is one small piece of the overall eco-system. We need to clean up a lot more than we have, in every respect.


Glad to see you’re a believer now. It has got to the point where you have no choice if you wish to be taken seriously.

 

Depends on the severity of the issue, where the priority should lie. The ice caps are melting, it is really happening, we must do what we can to stop adding our contribution to the problem. It isn't really something any serious [unbiased] person debates any more, the evidence keeps coming in that we are responsible, it can't all be wrong or a con trick.

 

Species extinction is a serious issue, estimated to be a 1000 times the natural rate of species loss. The northern white Rhino now only exists as examples beyond breeding age. This is a tragedy. Plenty of other species are in dire straits also, because we take their habitat, hunt and generally drive them into extinction. And yes climate change is adding to the issues these animals face.

 
 
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