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    Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 1:27pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/news_channel_live/7459669.stm

He's been released on compassionate grounds.

Kudos to Scotland for not bowing to US Government pressure.

Curious that the UK Government are keeping silent on anything agreed with the US.

UK - puppet of US Gov. Thumbs%20Down

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm

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Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was one of the victims of the atrocity, said a break-in the night before near the Pan Am secure baggage area was not fully investigated by police, who he claims concealed the evidence.

"I wrote recently to the Crown Office (which handles Scottish prosecutions) asking why that had been concealed for 12 years, and if they knew about it all along," he said.

He said they would not answer his question, which he said meant there must now be a thorough inquiry into the incident.

During Megrahi's first appeal, held at Kamp van Zeist in the Netherlands, his counsel raised the matter, saying it cast doubt on claims that the fatal bomb must have been loaded in Malta.

But the five appeal judges rejected the suggestion.

Malta had become crucial once police found a fragment of the bomb timer wrapped in a piece of clothing in a Dumfriesshire forest.

The clothes had Maltese labels - but question marks remain about how this discovery was made several months after the disaster, and also over how the material was handled.

The original trial heard labels on police evidence bags containing the fragment had been changed: the evidence of the officer who had done this was heavily criticised by the trial judges.

Let's not forget that this is in the wake of the US shooting down an Iranian passenger aircraft.

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The thing about America is that if they are attacked they expect the people responsable to be shot within 20 mins (example) however if they attack others the victims should just put up with it. About them demanding he should stay in prision show that they have become to big for their boots.

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Clearly the American people and most of the government (remember, most of them are right wing rich old men who were there long before the election of more socialist Obama) don't see/aren't willing to see that the man is nothing more than a scapegoat. By saying what they're saying, and doing what they're doing, they're not punising the guilty; merely making their ignorance easier and easier to see.
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He's in the air right now ON A PLANE... a terrorist on an aircraft... shoot his plane down then see how he feels about that!
Why didn't they let him choke to death in jail?
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Originally posted by Dambuster Dambuster wrote:

He's in the air right now ON A PLANE... a terrorist on an aircraft... shoot his plane down then see how he feels about that!
Why didn't they let him choke to death in jail?


They don't know who the REAL bomber is, that's why.
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Lucky chap. The bomb certainly had his name on it. How it came to be put there by him is another story, but one thinks that he took the risk and probably got paid to do it. Better release all paid/contract killers then if they get ill...
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He will probably have somthing to do with it though.  His cloths were found in the same suitcase as the bomb.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/8197370.stm

Quote "It is horrible. I don't show compassion for someone who showed no remorse."

How can someone show remorse if they had nothing to do with it?

He sure as hell doesn't look like he did it. He looks like someone who is deeply depressed and stressed about his situation. A psychopath wouldn't *appear* to care (it's written all over his face - psychopaths don't show that kind of emotion).

I do seriously think he is a scapegoat. I don't think that lightly.

Why was his co-accused not found guilty?

If I was him I'd be wary of getting on that aircraft.

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They weren't necessarily his clothes. They were Maltese clothing supposedly purchased by a Libian Government representitive.
 
To be honest, if he is responsible for the bombings, I think he should face the same fate as the people he was convicted of murdering.

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Originally posted by TomA320 TomA320 wrote:

He will probably have somthing to do with it though.  His cloths were found in the same suitcase as the bomb.


I'm very much certain that he placed the bomb in his suitcase, then placed his suitcase on the aeroplane at Frankfurt.

What I'm saying is he threw his rights out of the window when he was employed to do the deed.
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Originally posted by In Kontrol In Kontrol wrote:


Originally posted by Dambuster Dambuster wrote:

He's in the air right now ON A PLANE... a terrorist on an aircraft... shoot his plane down then see how he feels about that!
Why didn't they let him choke to death in jail?
They don't know who the REAL bomber is, that's why.

Then why did they convict him in the first place?
That guy who calls himself a judge, what sort of morality is he talking about?
"compassionate grounds", I thought one doesn't even talk to terrorists, now they show compassion?
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Should of let the Knaff rot - I bet they're praising him as a "hero" in Libya
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Originally posted by In Kontrol In Kontrol wrote:

Originally posted by Dambuster Dambuster wrote:

He's in the air right now ON A PLANE... a terrorist on an aircraft... shoot his plane down then see how he feels about that!
Why didn't they let him choke to death in jail?


They don't know who the REAL bomber is, that's why.


Odd as he was found guilty based on evidence not on conspiracy theories that appeared years later. If there was any proof other than the evidence that convicted him he would have never been convicted or would have been released

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Actually he was convicted on what was described as the "thin end of circumstantial evidence". There was no hard evidence presented, and nothing about the Pan-Am break in on the morning of the flight etc etc.
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Back in Libya to a heroes welcome. Oh dear.

There's a reason for centralised government - it stops bit part politicians from taking important jobs in mickey mouse devolved governments and having to make big decisions affecting international relations; in this case incurring the wrath of the USA.

Nice one. Prat. Hope Kenny MacAskill (that's the Scottish Justice Sec for the rest of you who had no idea who he was either) enjoyed his 5 minutes in front of the worlds media.
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 The bomb certainly had his name on it

 

Allegedly... even one of the Lockerbie victim’s parents believes him to be innocent.

 

He will probably have somthing to do with it though.  His cloths were found in the same suitcase as the bomb.

 

Probably means nothing, proof is required in British law. Someone could plant a bomb in your suitcase.

 

Actually he was convicted on what was described as the "thin end of circumstantial evidence". There was no hard evidence presented, and nothing about the Pan-Am break in on the morning of the flight etc etc.

 

Well said Slopey, it's all very well for you guys to make sweeping statements without knowing the facts. Over emotional outbursts from the perspective of limited knowledge of the circumstances are pointless.

 
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Originally posted by Slopey Slopey wrote:

Actually he was convicted on what was described as the "thin end of circumstantial evidence". There was no hard evidence presented, and nothing about the Pan-Am break in on the morning of the flight etc etc.


He was found guilty under our laws no matter how you gloss it so he was guilty FACT

And i dont blame america for being miffed, hardly justice for the familys of the victims watching him get a heroes welcome, least they have the knowledge hes dying  a slow hopefully painful death

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Was found guilty under our laws no mtter how you gloss it so he was guilty FACT

Guilty because a judge said so and guilty in reality are obviously two different concepts.
 
Otherwise the world wouldn't have had a plethora of innocent people not only incarcerated but executed also.
 
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Dr Jim Swire, who's daughter Flora died on PanAm flight 103, is convinced that Al Megrahi was not responsible for the Lockerbie bombing

Many are suspicious that the release was 'brokered' behind the scenes to avoid the embarrassment of an appeal.
 
I notice Flighty has no trouble backing other highly implausible conspiracy theories like 9/11, but when we come across one that's plausible he disagrees vehemently. Wink
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And another...
 
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Pamela Dix, whose brother, Peter Dix, died in the bombing aged 35, said she was 'disappointed' that Megrahi was dropping his appeal.

She agreed the move would leave many questions unanswered for the victims' relatives.

Speaking from Woking in Surrey, she said: "My immediate feeling is of great disappointment if the appeal does not go ahead.

 
If you are going to lock someone up for their entire lives, you need to be absolutely certain they are the guilty parties, not base your conviction on the... "thin end of circumstantial evidence".
 
That's not what British law should be about.
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