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Odai
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Again, no. As usual you provide no reasoning behind your idea that having a parallel system of law is detrimental. Yet again, the significance of having another system of law (which does not contradict UK law in any significant manner) is exaggerated.
BTW, I'm not even sure if having Sharia in a non-Muslim majority society is permitted under Islam, I am merely pursuing this out of interest.
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VulcanB2
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Dude, we don't want a parallel system!!!!! PERIOD!!!!! To hell with whether it is detrimental or not!!!!!! You miss the fundamental argument. This is the UK - UK law applies, and nothing else. Get used to it. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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737Chris
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I cant beleive Odai still doesnt think that UK Law should be the only law that should apply within the UK.
Good luck to everybody else but I dont think I'll participate further more than this point, unless I'm sure it wont end up in argument. I will say finally though that I do feel quite sickened, but more upset by you Odai, I am proud of my country and wish for it to remain under UK law. UK ONLY . END OF |
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MartinW
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MartinW
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Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so."
Lawyers have issued grave warnings about the dangers of a dual legal system and the disclosure drew criticism from Opposition leaders.
There are concerns for women suffering under the Islamic laws, which favours men.
Mr Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons. The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts. In the six cases of domestic violence, Mr Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment. In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html |
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In Kontrol
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Really? |
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737Chris
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Yes I am proud
I probably shouldnt say that though ! |
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twright
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Okay perhaps my comment about Mosques I left late last night was a bit too extreme, and i'm sorry if it offended anyone.
But seriously, if you went to Dubai and wanted to build a Christian church you would be shot. If you walk down a street in Dubai with no shirt on (not that I would) you would get arrested. A little while ago there was that case of a British man (who actually lives in the same London borough as I do) got jailed in Dubai because he was sharing a passionate moment with his girlfriend in public. So why can they be so strict about things like this, and over here we let them walk all over our laws - for example those veils. Hoodies and baseballs caps have been banned in a lot of public areas because they're anti-social. But Muslims are allowed to wear those veils, which cover up more of the face than a baseball cap. We've even had to consider changing our nurses uniforms just so it better suits their culture. Now I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but please, what gives them the right to disrespect our laws and values as a Christian country?
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Tom |
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Rich
Just Flight Staff Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth Points: 8543 |
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And doesn't that make you feel like our county is better than theirs? If so, then why would we want to lower ourselves to their level? |
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Magic Man
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Agree with Vulcan on this. As said, any section of the community can create and live by whatever rules they want as long as those rules do not break any laws of the country they are in.
But this is the UK and the laws of the UK are passed by our parliment and they are the only laws that apply. It's just plain rediculous to even think of having some sort of separate legal system depending on religion. I bet Mr Dawkins would have a field day with that.
If someone attends a kangaroo court and decides to abide by their decision then more fool them.
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twright
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True RAS, very true.
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Tom |
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In Kontrol
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That's what I was getting at. |
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VulcanB2
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I think the point twight was making was that you can't just go in such countries and dictate to them how they're going to do things.
I agree. Should be the same here. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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twright
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Exactly.
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Rich
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Maybe in a million years we will have a dual recognised legal system, but I doubt it. I really wouldn't be worried about it.
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Magic Man
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A legal system based on religion? Different laws depending on your beliefs?
Wonderful, what next, different laws depending on race?
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Rich
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? Not sure where that came from.
But anyway, surely our legal system is based on religion? Shops were forbidden to open on a Sunday until quite recently religious grounds and even now they are limited to when they can open |
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VulcanB2
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They are, yes, but the idea of which ;egal system you fit under based on Religion...?
I'm not religious in any way, so does that mean I'm currently exempt from UK law? One of the truly free! Best regards, Vulcan. |
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Odai
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There you go, you've helped show there is no logical reason to not having a dual law system. Just a load of mistrust and childish pride. It's thinking like that that holds us back.
Same as I said before.
I'm sorry, but I'm sick of seeing this drivel. What a load of rubbish. Clearly written by someone who has the intellect of a five year old.
That's a completely worthless argument, when applied here. I've already said, Sharia does not contradict UK law in any significant way. If you walked on Dubai's streets half naked, you are going against the law! But if you didn't do that in the UK, in accordance with Sharia, you're not going against the law.
Which is a disgusting thing to do, nobody else wants to see it. If you are a pervert, keep it to yourself please. What if a child saw it?
Honestly, it just gets more and more silly as I go on. How do you miss this stuff?!?!?!? Hoodies were banned due to their association with gangs of youths. For God's sake, use a little common sense! Don't you see the posters they have on nearly every shop?
Complying with Sharia is NOT DISRESPECTING UK LAW. It's something individuals such as yourself decide to make up because there is no reasonable argument to use. How is covering your hair, or wearing a more modest uniform disrespectful of UK law? Come on... And FYI, ME countries with populations of other religions do have Churches, Synagogues etc.... Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt are all full of them. Just more proof your post has absolutely no well-thought out reasonable argument. You're making all of this stuff up aren't you?
Again, why?
We're just going round in circles here, I keep asking the same things. The significance of Sharia law (APPLIED TO MUSLIMS ONLY) running parallel to standard UK law is, as I said, exaggerated.
That's not what's happening though, is it? These are British people who want to have Sharia law applied to them. They are not coming "into your country and dictating how you do things". |
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VulcanB2
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Define "significant". Given that it *does* contradict UK law in *some* ways (your admission), what ways are these? Please tell us, so we can be better informed. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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