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dougal
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Posted: 05 Apr 2009 at 10:26pm |
Hi Folks
I've tried, tried and tried till I need match sticks to keep my eyes open...... BUT.... I cannot get any new flightplans to showup in FSX using TrafficX I follow instructions to the 'letter' in the tutorial, and none of the flights show errors (red text). I just don't understand where i'm going wrong? I think the tutorials are rather lacking in detail. Tutorial two is mostly just repeating bits of the first. Any help or advice would be VERY welcome indeed. Thank you |
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freddy
Chief Pilot Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne, Aust Points: 1339 |
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Start with something simple. For example, a Cessna 172 at an airport that is not very busy (or, better, empty). Don't try to do too much. Just one plane. Compile your flight plans and go to your airport. Set FSX up about 15 minutes before the planned takeoff time (GMT) and see if your plane is there. The idea here is to get something to work. Anything. Starting small and simple is a good way to confirm things are (or are not) working.
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dougal
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If I start from an empty airfirld, there's likely to be no parking there, surely?
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altena
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Dougal,
There are a many reasons, why you don't see results of your flightplans. Anyway Freddy is right. Keep it simple in your first attempts. To see if an departure- and arrival airport has parkings and if they suit your plane's demand, then you, in principal, should see the aircraft for which you made a flightplan. First try that out and give feedback.
Henk
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MSFS
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Martyn and staff have a nice tutorial written up for simple to complex flight plans. A nice read too. Maybe give that a shot.
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Controller: 'AF123, say call sign of your wingman.'
Pilot: 'Uh ... approach, we're a single ship.' Controller: 'oh, oh shxx! You have traffic!' |
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dougal
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Well, I'm obviously missing something - hopefully, a simple something.
I tried with just one 'cub' from EGSC to EGSS and back. If I restart TrafficX and look in the flightplan list, under VFR UK, it shows in the list, but the aircraft just never appears at the field |
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Soaranden
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In the Traffic Control Centre, click on "Traffic Movements." On the "Traffic Movements" screen, click on "Compile Traffic X Flight Plans." It is only after running the compiler that changes you have made (such as setting up a flight plan) will take effect.
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freddy
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A good thought. The tutorial does lack one extremely important point ... it does NOT mention that after adding/editing flight plans one needs to COMPILE them.
If you are not doing that dougal, then that might explain why you are not seeing your cub.
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On 25th February, in the post "Flight Plan Tutorial - Feedback", freddy wrote the following:
Martyn from Just Flight responded thus:
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dougal
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Ok, that was the main problem - I wasn't recompiling. Also, seems it's critical to make sure the minimum flight distance is correct for the flight. Although i had changed the custom field, seems I either got the distance wrong, or didn't then hit 'Enter'
I still think the 'Pilot's Notes' and the tutorials leave much unsaid. Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. Time now to build up on what I know...... |
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dougal
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Ok guys, next question....
I don't understand the 'Traffic Generator' page on the TCC. The slider doesn't 'seem' to anything. How ever many ticks I put in however many boxes, they later disappear! |
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freddy
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Ah, you weren't compiling. Cool. So your compile worked? Your plane(s) did appear?
Traffic Generator screen and ticks. Easy one. After you place your ticks next to what you want (and remove ticks from the ones you don't want), RIGHT-CLICK in a blank area and a little sub-menu will come up. With this sub-menu you can choose to GENERATE TRAFFIC (based on what you've ticked), and you can also choose to SAVE your selections. Choosing the SAVE option SAVES your ticks for later so that the next time you visit this screen, your selections remain and do not disappear.
The slider on the Traffic Generator screen is an interesting one. Simply, if you set it to 200%, it will generate a lot more traffic than if you set it to 50%. That's pretty obvious. But you also have to remember that there are traffic sliders within FSX that allow you to set the percentages of commercial airliners and GA traffic. I don't think I fully have a grasp myself on what the slider in Traffic X does and how the sliders in FSX directly or indirectly have an affect over the percentage you choose in Traffic X. I leave mine at 100% and don't worry about it. Maybe someone else can provide a good explanation.
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dougal
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Thanks Freddy
Ahhhhggg! I'm going nuts here. So far, i seem to have managed ONCE to make my aircraft show. Can you please WALK me through a recomile? |
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freddy
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I have cut and pasted the following directly from a post by Soaranden. I remember reading the post and thinking at the time that it was an excellent description of the process. I hope Soaranden doesn't mind.
Soaranden is talking here about using the random traffic generator to generate random traffic flight plans. You have asked only about how to do a recompile. But, Soaranden's entire post is relevant and provides the background information needed for understanding; so I've cut and pasted it here in its entirety for completeness:
You will be asked for a filename. I usually just overwrite the same .bgl file that I did the last time. In my case I have been overwriting the "Traffic X.bgl" file. You yourself may have compiled to a different filename.
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dougal
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Thank you very much.
Can you tell me; will a small aircraft use a larger paking space, or do I have to change the parking sizes? Thanks |
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freddy
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Planes will just use available parking spaces. You don't have to change anything. As an example, if there are five parking spaces at an airport and four of them currently have aircraft parked in them, and that one available parking space just happens to be a "large" parking space that a commercial airliner might normally use, a Cessna will land, taxi and park in that space. The Cessna doesn't care about the "size" of the spot. It only cares that there is a free spot.
The exception is that a commercial airliner will not park in a "small" spot. So small planes can park in any free available spot ... but the opposite is not true; large planes cannot park in spots that are too small for them.
All of this is, of course, is based on the wing radius settings. In other words, a parking spot set as "18" means that a plane with a wing radius larger than 18 cannot park in that spot. But a plane with a wing radius smaller than 18 (or equal to 18) CAN park in that spot.
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Soaranden
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Here'e what the Traffic X "Pilot's Notes" manual has to say:
"FSX allows you to assign certain gates to certain airlines and vice versa. We have modified 50 international airports with gate assignments that are as accurate as possible. However, in the event an airport get overloaded with traffic it will assign gates according to free spaces; so newly arriving aircraft might park in any free parking space." I did a modification to Edwards (KEDW) using Airport Design Editor. I changed all the parking spaces to large military combat ramps. I found that although this did not eliminate the possibility of small GA aircraft using the large parking spaces, it did lessen the chance if there were a sufficient number of large aircraft scheduled to arrive and depart from the airport. In the absense of sufficient scheduled flights of large aircraft into Edwards, the small GA aircraft ate up the spaces...even when there were plenty of open large parking spaces for large aircraft and even when all of the parking spaces at the airport were large ramps. (The situation would have been different if all the large parking spaces were gates. See below). If you want to control traffic into a small GA airport and eliminate having large aircraft arrive and depart, and if there are large parking spaces at the airport, then there are three options: 1. Edit the airport with an AFCAD program to eliminate the large parking spaces. 2. Search in TCC for the flight plans of any large aircraft that are using the airport, and delete those flight plans. 3. Schedule so many small GA aircraft to stop over at the airport for hours that there is little room for anything but the small GA aircraft. Remember that GA aircraft are going to occupy ramp spaces. Airports with gates are not going to see Cessnas parking at gates (unless more-appropriate GA parking spaces are unavailable). It's not, therefore, just a matter of parking space size; it is also a matter of type. Hey, freddy. Your reply was more than sufficient. I just happened to be writing this reply at the same time you were writing yours. |
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dougal
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You guys are great! I really appreciate the time you've taken to describe the details for me.
Guess I just didn't realise how much was involved in setting up a single flight. Very time consuming. Thanks |
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freddy
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Hehe. All good. Actually, I think your reply is better than mine - a bit more detailed.
And, you mentioned what I had missed; parking "type" - RAMPS versus GATES.
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