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Does anyone have RW or FS data for the Quest Kodiak?  I'm particularly interested in cruise speed, service ceiling, fuel burn, range.  The specs I do have make it look pretty similar to the Caravan or PC-12, but possibly with better short-field capability and a better cockpit.  Is that correct? 

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Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_Aircraft
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Thanks, Pedro.  I missed that one.  I may just have to pick one of these up.
 
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Here goes for the first post on here!  I found this PDF with a bit of detail on GPH consumption for most of the more common aircraft whilst I was looking up performance data.  It may not conform exactly to the actual FSX/FS9 aircraft, but it should get you in the right ballpark:
 
Hope that helps! 
 
As a question from me, has anyone else tried to put import the Wilco A330-200?  I keep on getting a minus cargo capacity figure of -4100 odd.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunder175 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 5:31pm
What an excellent find Greg! A little outdated (looks like mostly from 2000) but great info nonetheless!
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Originally posted by Greg B Greg B wrote:

Here goes for the first post on here!  I found this PDF with a bit of detail on GPH consumption for most of the more common aircraft whilst I was looking up performance data.  It may not conform exactly to the actual FSX/FS9 aircraft, but it should get you in the right ballpark:
 
Hope that helps! 
 
As a question from me, has anyone else tried to put import the Wilco A330-200?  I keep on getting a minus cargo capacity figure of -4100 odd.
 
Thanks
 
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Hi Greg,

The reason you will be getting a negative value is because the Maximum and minium weight of the aircraft maybe back to front ie: Maximum may have the minimum value and minimum may have the maximum value this happened to me with one of my aircraft.

you will find the values in the "aircraft.cfg" in the aircraft folder in your case the Wilco A330-200 folder inside airplanes folder.

the section is the "WEIGHT and BALANCE" section.

Check those values and if the minimum is higher than then the maximum just switch the values around.

step 2: once you have done that in AIR HAULER you need to remove all the Wilco A330-200 planes and reenter them again for the correct values to appear in air hauler.

Step 3: unfortunately if you own any of these aircrafts you need to sell them and rebuy the airplane with the new values. The program won't change the values which is why you need to remove and reenter the airplanes into air hauler.

Hope this helps as that is what happened to me with one of my planes the "UIVER DC-2"

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Greg B Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 8:02am
Thanks for the tips Mike, unfortunately that doesnt work either as the numbers are correct, I've tried swapping them around and that gives a greater minus value! Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 9:38pm
Thanx for the info but is the specific fuel consumption in galloons per hour for the LDS 767 300 ER?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kymsheba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 11:11pm
Originally posted by Greg B Greg B wrote:

Thanks for the tips Mike, unfortunately that doesnt work either as the numbers are correct, I've tried swapping them around and that gives a greater minus value! Confused
Hi Greg,

Sorry it didn't work mate, but i have another idea that may be the problem.

Are the values showing the correct numbers i suggest goto a site with the info of the real plane and see if the figures match up with the WEIGHT & BALANCE figures.

Also check the fuel amount and make sure it is correct i know that some developers fudge the numbers a bit to make the plane more flyable in FS9 or FSX.

If the fuel amount is more than real life and you have maximum fuel loaded this maybe why you might be getting negative numbers again.

Just worth checking as this is all i can think of that may be causing the wrong values.

Hope these suggestions work mate.

The last thing you could try is to uninstall AIR HAULER completely and then reinstall and reenter the aircraft again and hope that fixes the problem but you most likely have already tried this.

I will keep searching through and see if i can find a solution for you mate when time permits if you like.

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New Regional Prop......

PMDG now has their new Jetstream 41 announced on their website – not available yet – but getting close. There are a few folks in the customer forum asking about a freighter model, and one person noted this link which announced a JS 41 Freighter conversion….

http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf

According to http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/jetstream41/specs.html

Performance:

 

Cruise speed 540 km/hour

Economical cruise speed 482 km/hour

Maximum altitude7,925 m

Maximum rate of climb670 m/min

Typical range with full passenger load 800 nm

Range with 80 per cent load1,490 nm

Typical fuel burn 420 kg/hr

Runway take-off 1,523 m

Runway landing1,280 m

 

Weights:

Empty weight 6,473 kg

Maximum take-off weight 10,886 kg

Maximum landing weight 10,569 kg

Maximum fuel 2,703 kg

 

That would put the max cargo for AI in at 1710 kg (please correct me if I am wrong with that), or 3770 lbs… Not a heavy lifter by any means – the Catalina has double the cargo capacity for AI – but it’s a very slow trip in the old bird!

 

Looks like an interesting addition to the fleet for a regional though – as with most things in AH – might not be the smartest business move – but if it’s fun and interesting to fly – my companies for it!

 

Price is at $44.95 and they claim that features are very configurable to accommodate a wide range of systems while maintaining decent frame rates….

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Someone's flying a Jetstream 41 (Beta) in AH as we speak.  I can see one on the radar.  Pilot name is "Keebler Corp."
 
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Ahh – could be a strong indication of the growing popularity of AH when you see new aircraft getting beta tested within AH prior to release!!! 

 
Noticed that the AH landing categories were used  as a metrics in the Avsim review of the Ariane 737… maybe they will become standard benchmarks...

 

“Just to prove how easy it was to land manually, I stuck it into Air Hauler so it would monitor a manual approach and touchdown. This was at Almeria’s runway 26 in southern Spain. As you can see from the caption, it is easy to pull off a greaser in the 900ER, despite that big tail overhang.”

 

Source:  http://www.avsim.com/pages/0709/Ariane/737.htm

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Originally posted by allardjd allardjd wrote:

Does anyone have RW or FS data for the Quest Kodiak?  I'm particularly interested in cruise speed, service ceiling, fuel burn, range.  The specs I do have make it look pretty similar to the Caravan or PC-12, but possibly with better short-field capability and a better cockpit.  Is that correct? 

At 179 ktas, at 12,000 ft, fuel consumption is 47 gph yielding 1,032 nm over 5.9 hr
 
 
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Originally posted by mugc mugc wrote:

Ahh – could be a strong indication of the growing popularity of AH when you see new aircraft getting beta tested within AH prior to release!!!

Noticed that the AH landing categories were used as a metrics in the Avsim review of the Ariane 737… maybe they will become standard benchmarks...

“Just to prove how easy it was to land manually, I stuck it into Air Hauler so it would monitor a manual approach and touchdown. This was at Almeria’s runway 26 in southern Spain. As you can see from the caption, it is easy to pull off a greaser in the 900ER, despite that big tail overhang.”

Source: http://www.avsim.com/pages/0709/Ariane/737.htm


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Quote Been flying this baby since FS9 intro. Get one.

I picked up one (FS9) on sale the other day for $14.95.

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I purchased the Quest Kodiak a few days ago in version 2.4b. I am not really happy with the performance. Speed and cargo capacity are a bit off I think.
The empty weigt is only 3350 (reality 3700), the speed at 12.000 at max power is already 231 Knots (reality 185 Knots maximum cruise speed.) You reach this 185 Knots with under 65% throttle...that does not "feel right".

This feels like cheating. Big%20smile

I changed the powerscalar from the turbine engine from 1.5 to 1.3 and the fuelscalar from
1.0 to 0.94 and empty weight to 3700. I tried to match exactly the fuel consumption from
the webside: 12.000 feet 179 Knots 47 gallons.

The plane is still way to fast (221 Knots at 12.000 feet)  but with this downgrades it is loosing his stol abilities. It needs a lot more runway with this configuration. With powerscalar 1.0 top speed goes down to 198 Knots at 12 k feet but it is absolutely underperforming on takeoff and climbrate then...

With a max cruise speed of 185 Knots. What should be a realistic top speed...200? 

Does anyone know enough about the .config and .air to match the data off the real-world Kodiak... downgrade top speed but keep stol and climb abilities?

I really like the idea of the Kodiak. Strong rough plane. Exactly the right plane to haul in the wilderness of Alaska and Canada. And for that I would like it to be as realistic as possible...Smile.

Any ideas?


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Cessna 425 / 441


http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=156 Quote"
Performance  
425 - Max cruising speed 490km/h (264kt) at 17,700ft. Initial rate of climb 2027ft/min. Service ceiling 34,700ft. Range with max payload 1252km (676nm), max range 3050km (1647nm).

441 - Max speed 547km/h (295kt), max cruising speed 543km/h (293kt). Initial rate of climb 2435ft/min. Service ceiling 37,000ft. Max range with reserves at long range cruising speed 3048km (1646nm), range with max payload and reserves 2724km (1471nm).
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I don't see the flap damage speeds there though. Do we put the light /calculate 50-70% /  heavy load Range in?

I'm trying for the Titan v2 1200nm. So 1200range / 264Kts = 4.55Gph?

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data

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Originally posted by mugc mugc wrote:

New Regional Prop......

PMDG now has their new Jetstream 41 announced on their website – not available yet – but getting close. There are a few folks in the customer forum asking about a freighter model, and one person noted this link which announced a JS 41 Freighter conversion….

http://www.regional-services.com/pdf/ur_news_news_Lett_frei_news_09.pdf

According to http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/jetstream41/specs.html

Performance:

 

Cruise speed 540 km/hour

Economical cruise speed 482 km/hour

Maximum altitude7,925 m

Maximum rate of climb670 m/min

Typical range with full passenger load 800 nm

Range with 80 per cent load1,490 nm

Typical fuel burn 420 kg/hr

Runway take-off 1,523 m

Runway landing1,280 m

 

Weights:

Empty weight 6,473 kg

Maximum take-off weight 10,886 kg

Maximum landing weight 10,569 kg

Maximum fuel 2,703 kg

 

That would put the max cargo for AI in at 1710 kg (please correct me if I am wrong with that), or 3770 lbs… Not a heavy lifter by any means – the Catalina has double the cargo capacity for AI – but it’s a very slow trip in the old bird!

 

Looks like an interesting addition to the fleet for a regional though – as with most things in AH – might not be the smartest business move – but if it’s fun and interesting to fly – my companies for it!

 

Price is at $44.95 and they claim that features are very configurable to accommodate a wide range of systems while maintaining decent frame rates….

 
Here is a link to some more detailed info about the Jetstream 41 Freighter, or J41E as it is called:
 
 
 
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Has any one else tried to inport the beach jet 400a it's cargo capacity in AH is -3.199707

[General]
performance=400A - Max Speed: 468kt\Typical cruising speed: 450kt\Long range cruising speed: 392kt\Initial climb rate: 3770 ft/min\Service Ceiling: 43,400 ft\Range with Max fuel cruising at 430kt: 1574nm at 418kt: 1693nm\Powerplants: Two 2965lb takeoff rated Pratt & Whitney Canada JT15D5 turbofans
atc_type=Beechjet
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[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
reference_datum_position=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
empty_weight_CG_position=0.500000,0.000000,0.000000
max_number_of_stations=50
station_load.0=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
empty_weight=12000.000000
empty_weight_roll_MOI=45000.000000
empty_weight_pitch_MOI=50000.000000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI=70000.000000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI=3300.000000
max_gross_weight=18000.000000

[fuel]
Center1=-6.860000,0.000000,-1.500000,359.000000,0.000000
LeftMain=-1.800000,-10.000000,-1.500000,268.500000,0.000000
RightMain=-1.800000,10.000000,-1.500000,268.500000,0.000000
fuel_type=2.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=0


I hope those are the reverent bits of the aircraft.cfg I hope somone can help. Thanks in advance
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Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had info needed on Lockheed Constellation. Just picked it up today from Just Flight, and wanted to see it in AH.
Any numbers are appreciated, thanks.
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