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iflygary 
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 Topic: Duchess AilmentsPosted: 20 Dec 2018 at 1:17pm |
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Yikes!!! And ouch all at the same time spending money like that. I have a friend of mine that is a doctor and he owns a Piper Dakota. He asked me if I wanted to go in with him but I told him I have two kids in college right now and that's where my money is already going. I will definitely consider partnership ownership though in the future. On the brighter side, Just Flight's latest update for this little baby is a REMARKABLE IMPROVEMENT!!!! Gary |
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scottb613
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Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 2:21pm |
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Hi Gary, Thanks - yeah - just take all your initial estimates of what aircraft ownership will cost you - then times that by 10... It's insanely expensive - shockingly so... LOL - my engine only had about 800 hours on it before it started making metal - just my luck - I won't bore you with the details of my decisions but I'm in the middle of a factory zero time firewall forward replacement and the bill will be around 40K - and THAT's for just a little four banger 0-360... A partner or club might be more tolerable... Best of luck to you whichever road you choose... Regards, Scott |
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iflygary
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 11:00pm |
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Hi Gary, I haven't purchased the aircraft yet - and to be clear I don't have a great deal of time in a Duchess - just flew it under supervision a couple times in a friends aircraft... I do own a Sundowner which is based on a very similar airframe but as you know is a completely different animal... That said - it doesn't sound like the basic book stats are working in the FDE yet - therefore - the little nuances a pilot can offer wouldn't do much good... To start with you need - landing/takeoff distances - rate of climb - airspeeds dirty/clean (Vx Vy Vr Vapp etc) fuel consumption - range - working correctly... Then you get into the single engine behavior... All this from a POH - then pilot nuances... I see they are working on it - so I'll keep an eye on this aircraft to see how it shakes out... It's highly desirable for me... Regards, Scott [/QUOTE] Scott, Thanks for the feedback as well as your input regarding POH numbers, etc. Congrats on owning a Sundowner. While I do have my PPL, just as I mentioned before regarding being able to help out with the Arrow, airplane ownership for myself is the ultimate goal. In the meantime, "getting behind the controls" in our beloved flight simulators is the next best thing.  I know Paul and the guys will get things right, they always do. It's great though to know that they at least listen to the feedback we provide to them. Happy flying!!Gary
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scottb613
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Hi Paul, All that is encouraging - thanks for responding... As mentioned - we need a good flying FDE meeting book numbers before getting down in the weeds with interpreted flight characteristics... While you probably already have it - I think I have a full Duchess POH electronically - somewhere - if that would help ? Regards, Scott |
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 6:11pm |
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Hi Gary, I haven't purchased the aircraft yet - and to be clear I don't have a great deal of time in a Duchess - just flew it under supervision a couple times in a friends aircraft... I do own a Sundowner which is based on a very similar airframe but as you know is a completely different animal... That said - it doesn't sound like the basic book stats are working in the FDE yet - therefore - the little nuances a pilot can offer wouldn't do much good... To start with you need - landing/takeoff distances - rate of climb - airspeeds dirty/clean (Vx Vy Vr Vapp etc) fuel consumption - range - working correctly... Then you get into the single engine behavior... All this from a POH - then pilot nuances... I see they are working on it - so I'll keep an eye on this aircraft to see how it shakes out... It's highly desirable for me... Regards, Scott |
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Delta558
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 2:57am |
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There is an updated fde in the works - hopefully it'll be out in the very near future. It should address the majority of the problems encountered so far, as Gary has mentioned I am always happy to enter into correspondance with pilots who have experience of the aircraft in real life in order to improve and fine-tune the aircraft, drop me a pm if interested! Cheers, Paul.
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iflygary
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Scott, I'm at least pleased that someone with real time in a Duchess has chimed in. I've somewhat gone silent in regards to posting comments here, but even after the update, I still do not fly this little baby. It's just too disappointing to do so. After the initial release of the Arrow, I had the fortune of being one of the testers since I had real world time in an Arrow III. Hopefully you can chime in an offer some feedback to the fine folks here at JF to get this little baby done right. I'm itching to get her back in the air, but I just can't handle the aggravation of dealing with the multiple issues that it presents. I'm really hoping they get this model done right. I too feel as though it was released a bit too prematurely. Gary
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Hi Folks,
How disappointing - for me the FDE is the most important part of a model... I'm surprised it was released with so many issues... I'm very interested in a well done Duchess - I'll keep an eye on this for signs of improvement... I've got some hours in a Duchess, a bunch more in a Sierra, and a ton of hours in a Sundowner... Pretty familiar with the entire baby Beech line... Also - watched a bunch of videos - the spinners seem pretty distracting - as the shine doesn't rotate in real life - would suggest a rework of the textures with a more uniform paint... C'mon JF - if you build it - they will come...  Regards, Scott |
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petesmiffy
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Posted: 11 Dec 2018 at 1:17pm |
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Take off with Trim Switch OFF - Trim set neutral. Aircraft attempts to climb rapidly, have to use forward presure on stick to maintain 800 fpm climb. Attempt to manually trim for 800 fpm, move trimwheel SLIGHTLY forward - trim indicator shoots all the way forward but aircraft now climbing in excess of 2000 fpm. Trim wheel back to neutral and hold stick well forward to maintain level flight, switch Electric Trim ON, nose pitches violently upwards to verticle.
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Martyn
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Posted: 11 Dec 2018 at 12:17pm |
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An FDE update went live on Sunday which should have addressed the take-off/trim issue, however the development team are continuing to make changes to both the code/functionality and FDE, and we will make further updates available ASAP.
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Posted: 11 Dec 2018 at 12:13pm |
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Hi Pete,
When switched on, the trim system will trim the aircraft to maintain the attitude that existed at the time of engagement, easing the need to make large control inputs. Thanks Martyn
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petesmiffy
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Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 2:07pm |
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What is auto-trim and how is it supposed to work? Is it what the manual refers to as "Electric Trim"? What does the electric trim do?
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petesmiffy
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v1.02. On start one throttle locks at 15%. Have to use E+1+2 to regain control. Take off with Trim at T/O and lifts off fine, but at about 100-150 feet AGL it goes into Saturn V mode; trim all the way forward and it still climbs off the clock. Impossible to trim for level flight, or anything near it
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Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 2:07am |
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Just installed v1.02 and nothing has changed. I have 5 different copies of the Arrow and the Warrior in P3D and XP11. Some of my favorite GA planes. What happened with this one?
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I have to agree with this. After the update the plane was glued to the runway on the take off roll. Pilot only, full fuel. Airborne at 90 knots, full back on the yoke, climbing like a rocket. The auto pilot trim goes haywire. Disappointed with this release.
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Delta558
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Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 5:39pm |
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About 4 lines down from that - the elevator TRIM limit, should be 3.0 on the updated files - I think it was originally 10?
Gary, it is about 10kts fast across the power settings but you should check the power charts for the Duchess - a lot of the higher cruise power settings are right up touching that yellow line! The yellow line begins at 154kts, standard ISA max cruise power gives you 153kts at 5000ft and at ISA-20 puts you firmly inside the band at 157kts! Lower cruise settings from the chart (24/23) should give you the mid 140s and (as noted earlier) it's about 10kts fast at the moment.
Again, it's out but nowhere near by as dramatic an amount as your comment would suggest: the aircraft currently manages a sustained max climb rate at sea level / max AUW of 1700fpm, real figure is a touch under 1300fpm. At lighter weights, the aircraft should make close to 2000fpm and that figure is in the charts so not at all an unrealistic climb rate for the aircraft. Cheers, Paul.
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Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 2:23pm |
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Sorry, I meant *upon release
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I hate to be the fly in the ointment but I think the download link for this release should be removed until all of the major bugs are worked out. I get it, and I know it's not going to be perfect up release cause even the best of the best have to send out patches. But this release is a bit off the mark. I tried it again and it's a night and day difference going from the Arrow to the Duchess, then back to the Arrow. I feel like a beta tester flying this plane. I'm going to keep it in the virtual hangar until major improvements are made. I've always been a fan of Just Flight models but there in no fun or realism factor when flying this little model. Sorry guys I'm just being real when it comes to spending $41.99 on a payware model aircraft.
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Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 1:32pm |
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elevator_up_limit = 20.00
elevator_down_limit = 15.00 |
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Also, I forgot to mention that the placard on the inside of the N registration model near the passenger door says G-BZRT. Not sure if this is the case for all repaints of the model but at the moment I've only tested the N registration version.
Gary
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