DC10 HD Fixes and Mods

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   Mace,

What exactly sound xml fix you ae reffeing too? Cannot see anything at this thread.

Regards,

Kris

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KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: DC10 HD Fixes and Mods Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 3:40pm
	Mace, What exactly sound xml fix you ae reffeing too? Cannot see anything at this thread. Regards, Kris

Mace_RB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 03 Jan 2018 Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mace_RB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 4:21am
	I can say that with the above mods, I have the CLS DC-10 HD working pretty well in P3Dv4.3. I use the SGA/FFG .air file. I use the sound xml fix posted earlier in this thread. I use the Ernie Alston/ISG FMC mod mentioned earlier in this thread. (I prefer that to INS) I am aware of the fuel tank issues, which I have also largely fixed based on your guy's work. I do not use the lights mod, but that intrigues me. I may have to register at FSL just to download that. Anyway, the CLS DC-10 HD as modded is now good enough that I enjoy flying it, when I'm not flying the PMDG 777F, the Aerosoft DC-8 or A320, or MilViz C310R or the JustFlight BAe Hawk. Thanks to all of you for getting us a decent DC-10 to fly in P3Dv4.3!

Jocko Flocko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 22 May 2013 Location: Wasaga Beach Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jocko Flocko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:58pm
	I sent you a PM with my email address if you feel like sharing the config Kris. I don't own the PMDG 747 base package, so I still contemplating whether or not to fork out more than 200$ for an addon aircraft. Cheers Kris

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 7:35am
	Sure, how Can i share it here? Or should i sens you via e-mail. BTW, the lighting is still WIP. Eng panel lighting needs some tweeking. I will update it in few weeks as now i am busy exploring B748 just released. :)

Jocko Flocko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 22 May 2013 Location: Wasaga Beach Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jocko Flocko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 5:59pm
	Hey Kris, would you mind sharing your FS Spotlights config file for the DC-10? I just got around to trying out this lighting application and I absolutely love it, especially on Carenado aircraft where the developers at Carenado/Alabeo can't figure out how to code panel lights without the bright dome light being on in the cockpit. :/ Btw, you screens look great with the addon interior lights. :)

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 5:16pm
	Mace, here is a link to freeware INS 64bit: http://www.simufly.com/ins/beta.html The SGA -30 is native FSX. Not sure about -10. I am not using 4k. Its 1080p. Which cockpit sounds did you manage to get working?

Mace_RB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 03 Jan 2018 Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mace_RB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 5:33pm
	KrisJ - actually the link in your first post is the one that is working (at least presently, 9/22/18) Also, are you using a 4K display? It is good to see at least a few of us properly modding the CLS DC-10 to work well in 64-bit P3D. I now have my DC-10-10's and DC-10-30's at a much higher level, with much help from you guys (thanks) -- particularly on getting the cockpit sounds working and clueing me in to using a few aftermarket gauges. I am presently using the ISG (Ernie Alston) FMC and Navigation Display (ND) with this aircraft (I use his Smiths FMC (gray)). I use his MD-11 style ND. It all works pretty well. I presently only have these as 2D popups. I haven't yet tried to alter the VC image to accept the FMC, and I'm not sure where I'd fit the ND unless I removed an existing gauge. Those of you using an INS setup, are you using a 64-bit version of the Marco Ravanello CIVA INS? If so, where can it be purchased/downloaded? I also use the Roland 64-bit radar gauge, as a popup. It works reasonably well. Todays mod -- at you all's suggestion -- are the SGA DC-10-10 and -30 .air files, which I've just downloaded -- my only concern there, is that those are FS2004 (?) flight models. If they are no good, I'll just revert back to the CLS HD air files. I've done the cfg file fuel mods to a point, too. Good flights all.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 3:25pm
	https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jqBBG0adlE3WyJlxyVegsQmyl0ebnvuj

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 6:11pm
	Sorry, the link is broken. Here is proper one: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jqBBG0adlE3WyJlxyVegsQmyl0ebnvujhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1jqBBG0adlE3WyJlxyVegsQmyl0ebnvujhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1jqBBG0adlE3WyJlxyVegsQmyl0ebnvuj

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 5:23pm
	Hi Mike, sorry for this delay in response. Ive been busy exploring DCS World recently. This is a custom made Dc-10 night lighting made using FSLspootlight. Actually it includes 3 lighting options for a front panel: orange, metallic and mix of both. This is made based on more than a dozen of real world night cokpit photos available in the web. Following screenshot should give you a perspective of full cockpit lighting in a mix option: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO_XDLzb50v5E9zxE_83I1FBy9BTfOCxQ8lCfsXhy2326wNtCVj_XCYCx37jYwQ2Q/photo/AF1QipOLfVswp8HwisqKMkqejvuniPQbGSuOScEs6tNp?key=X01kQnFSX2dkS001ZXYzQnZSVWJBVkI0V3o0Mmtn

Mike Hart Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Ground Crew Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Location: Australia Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike Hart Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:29am
	KrisJ - nice shot I see you have put in the INS. I have it in various types but prefer the FMC based on GPS. The other thing that caught my eye was the night panel lighting, seems very different in some aspects to mine particular the glareshield autopilot panel. I use the Capt Sim Wx Radar but have not found a spot to fit it into the VC (I don't think there is one). Will get a screenshot of the tank gauges as soon as I can. Oh and I found a SGA airfile for the DC-10-40 there was an update or mod floating about here is the zip file reference: "sga1040.zip" it was at flyaway simulation. It actually did a lot of mods to the SGA version for MSFS2004 but works fine for me I only wanted the airfile.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 6:48pm
	I am not sure but i think SGA did dash 40 only up to FS2004. I did not test it as i dont want to risk launching FS9 native model in P3D. Re fuel: can you send me gauges screenshot of your fully loaded tanks? Will see whats wrong.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 4:01pm
	Screenshot from my today KMEM-PANC FX5132 flight: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w3izpapKa8eSWIp8PAUoJfFUUQsz49fI

Mike Hart Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Ground Crew Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Location: Australia Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike Hart Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 9:53am
	Kris J - Tried the air file, works fine as far as I am concerned and does give much better N readings and most of all consistent power output. Did FFX/SGA do the DC-10-40 I saw references to it with the original release but have not found the packaged versions which had both, picked up the 30 series with a repaint version on FlightSim. Still not happy with the fuel situation but I think it may be a guage issue not a config problem anyway will worry about that a bit later.

Mike Hart Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Ground Crew Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Location: Australia Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike Hart Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 7:54am
	Kris J Thanks for that, good what a couple of minds on the problems can do. I will do the changes re the fuel tanks, and as they apply across the range, they all should be the same except for the DC10-10. The turbine numbers and performance was a real problem, after countless hours amending this changing that, trying an earlier version air file and Ruths, I came to the conclusion that there were differences built into this one that I could not fix, so the mods were a compromise. The engine data modelling is completely incorrect for the CLS HD version and the problem lies in the tables used by the MS ESP engine to do its thing. This by the way is not an uncommon problem across all jet aircraft in FSX because while the piston engines are done very well there are issues with thrust and altitude and thrust and temperature that are not captured or responded to properly in FSX. When I read an original flight test report for the DC-10 it was even more apparent how badly this bird performed, the DC-10 had very good power all the way up to FL's, it actually could reach M0.92 in the cruise (at light weights) so to have a model basically die at about F180 and above was simply ridiculous. I will give that air file a go see what transpires or expires. LOL. I will get back to you when I have done that. Thanks for the input and advice appreciated.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 10:51am
	Now, with regards to aircraft performance. The Dc-10-30 has following range of reduced thrust takeoff N1 settings: Min: 89,7 for -40C OAT and +20C Assumed Temp. Max: 115,8 for +20C OAT and +20C Assumed Temp. I tried your mod. For the flight i made based on acctual conditions i needed 106,2 N1. However i was only able to achive ~103 N1 with throthe full forward. There is a very simple way to have proper performance on CLS Dc-10-30. Simply search for SGA/FFX model in the web and take the .air file from it. The SGA Team made incredible work achiving their model flying close to the Real World numbers. They worked with R/W DC10/KC10 drivers, one of them active on flight simming forums. Try it. If you have some problems with the flight dynamics let me know and i can share you my aircraft.cfg settings.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 5:48pm
	Now it looks much better, pretty much like 1972 Dc10-30 FAA certification, which i bring below. And as you can see the main wing ones (1 & 3) are smaller then main center (3) and center aux is the biggest. The 1967 US Gallons under wing Aux Tank you have is probably a modification for particular serial numbers. Here is FAA: Fuel Tank Capacity (pounds) Usable Usable 25 Arm Location Structural (6.7 lb./gal.) (6.7 lb./gal.) (inches) Main No. 1. 43,202 40,203 40,704 1492.6 Main No. 2. 69,495 64,969 65,438 1296.0 Main No. 3. 43,202 40,203 40,704 1492.6 Center Wing Auxiliary 104,141 97,409 98,111 1266.1 In aircfraft cfg here is correct entry for your numbers: Center1= -0.82, 0.00, -1.50, 9664, 1000 //Tank 2 Center2= 1.48, 0.00, 4.50, 14698, 1000 //Center LeftMain= -17.20, -47.00, 4.50, 6090, 1000 //tank 1 RightMain= -17.20, 47.00, 4.50, 6090, 1000 //tank 3 Re Center2 - i merged the center aux capacity and the under wing aux hence 14,698 gal.

Mike Hart Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Ground Crew Joined: 19 Feb 2014 Location: Australia Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike Hart Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 10:45am
	Kris J This is from the Boeing Data Sheet DAC-67803A January 1991 (Revised April 2004) for the following types (DC10, 30,30CF, 40 and 40CF): Total Usable Capacity: 36,622 US Gallons 6090 US Gallons each Wing Tank 1 and 3 each 9664 US Gallons Number 2 tank 12,731 US Gallons CTR Wing Aux Tank 1967 US Gallons under wing Aux Tank All up that equals 36542 US Gallons by my reading that gives two wing tanks 1 3 one number 2 tank one centre wing aux tank and one under wing aux tank So I am not sure which is which now, the FAA data should be correct, and so should the Lufthansa data but as you can see from above thats how I ended up with what I used. Anyway happy to check this out and any other changes you might suggest.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jul 2018 at 8:45am
	One more comment re fuel system in CLS Dc-10. The tanks setup i provided above is correct however CLS did not properly (or at all) model fuel transfer mechanism. Normally one would transfer fuel from Aux tank to main ones but in CLS model you cannot do it. As a result in very long flights (when you need more fuel in Aux then you have on wing ones) you will end up flight with main ones dry and fuel remaining only in Aux. This makes the plane bit havy on tail on landing.

KrisJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Check-In Staff Joined: 17 Feb 2018 Location: Poland Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote KrisJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 8:42pm
	Mike, first of all thank you for you efffort. The more people in the community do things to have as good as possilbe Dc-10 in the sim the better. With the tanks i think you made it wrong. Here is a 590k version fuel capacity as per official Dc-10 family FAA certification document: Main No. 1. 40,203 Main No. 2. 64,969 Main No. 3. 40,203 Center Wing Auxiliary 97,409 This gives following aircraft.cfg entry: [fuel] //total:54770 gal Center1= -0.82, 0.00, -1.50, 10372, 1000 //Tank 2 Center2= 1.48, 0.00, 4.50, 15543, 1000 //Center LeftMain= -17.20, -47.00, 4.50, 6448, 1000 //tank 1 RightMain= -17.20, 47.00, 4.50, 6448, 1000 //tank 3 Now, the "additional tank in the wing" you refer to is not an additional tank in fact but a compartment. Each Wing tank (Main 1 & 3) is made of two compartments - inner and outer but the gaugue reads total of both compartments and the official data in documents like the above one consider Main Tanks 1 & 3 as sets of two compartments each. The Aux tank is the biggest. Acctually this is an exact quote from the Lufthansa Dc-10-30 video on YT where FE explains that. We can trust him :) I suggest you try my settings. BTW, i have some comments re power settings of your made which I will give tomorrow. Also I can tell you how to modify your JF/CLS Dc-10-30 so it flies by the R/W numbers.