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    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 at 3:58am
Originally posted by RayM RayM wrote:

Each to our own methods I guess.   

Too true that. We all get something out the hobby in our way, using our own methods.
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Freddy,

that does sound like a fair bit of effort!

When I want to add some VFR to any of my airports, I ALWAYS use AIFP to ensure that the traffic will appear (always put a % value at 1%). I have loads of different BGL files created by AIFP that are specific i.e. I put all TNG schedules in one AIFP BGL, some airports have their own BGL files, GB military in one file, some countries have their own AIFP BGL, etc.

It is easy enough to add a new airport into AIFP.

I use TX as the basic 'background' AI provider but supplement this with AIFP files - after all these years, I am still working my way thru the TX airline schedules, weeding out flights in the wrong place, flights that exceed the aircraft range, wrongly allocated/coded aircraft, etc. I have found many aircraft, allocated an airline code, that were actually a similarly named airline from a different part of the world; this meant code changes and re-routeing were necessary.

Each to our own methods I guess.   
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Originally posted by RayM RayM wrote:

and some Easter Egg chocolate has fuelled this work.

ROFL.


Originally posted by RayM RayM wrote:

But you do have to be willing to put in some effort at manipulating files.

You may have read in my early post in this thread that I purchased ORBX's CityScene Gold Coast and CityScape Canberra. CityScene Gold Coast comes with a bonus little airport called "Southport" (YSPT). It is a "lite" version of the airport with ORBX providing buildings and layout, but not much in the way of taxiways, runway and parking (ORBX are clear about this in their documentation, hinting that they intend to provide work on this airport at a later date - but I cannot wait for that and I'm not planning on buying the other product that will include this work anyway).

So ...

... Using ADE, I updated the airport's taxiways, runway, and parking. Then I set about providing some AI schedules for it. My "effort at manipulating" came by way of me not wanting to fully import this airport in to Traffic X (I did not want to use the SDK to do an airport dump and subsequent import in to Traffic X, which, for reasons I won't explain here, could end up ruining some of my other AI work). So, instead, I backed up all of my existing Traffic X files, then completely removed them from the Traffic X folder. Next, I spent considerable time manually creating each and every single file again, from scratch, but only including data for this one little airport on it's own. This included creating a specific 'Airports.dat' file, a specific 'Schedules.dat' file, and a specific 'AircraftTypes.csv' file. Following this careful, methodical work, I did a manual compile using a re-worked Traffic X '_compile.bat' batch file and, voilĂ , the result is a single, one-off, 'YSPT.bgl' AI file with GA traffic in it purely just for this little airport. And, all done without having to import this airport in to Traffic X, or any other AI program for that matter. After dropping the 'YSPT.bgl' AI file in to the same ORBX folder as the CityScene Gold Coast scenery files, I now have GA traffic at this little airport. To finish, I simply put all my backed up Traffic X files back in the usual place and I am once again good to go with Traffic X as normal the next time I need to use it.

It seems like a lot of work to do just to add a mere three GA planes to a single, small airport ... but that airport is now "alive" rather than being devoid of activity (something which was annoying me).

So, in this case, I was willing to put in the work and manually manipulate the required files. It was time-consuming, but, in the end, very much worth it. With no traffic, that airport seemed "wrong". It was something that would have eaten away at me. But now, thanks to the effort, it has traffic. I am very happy with the result. Sometimes, a little bit of manual file manipulation is the only way to go. And, it can be quite rewarding.


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Just to 'finish' the story.
Used TX to compile the TX_Biz.tcc file. This creates an "aircrafttypes.csv" file containing my pre-selected business aircraft. Using the "airport.dat" file dumped from FSX, I created a sub-file containing the 2 airports plus a selection of 10 airports that I considered could 'supply' flights to my 2 airports.
TDBB then created a BGL that contained about 60-70 schedules. Then, using AIFP, I was able to reduce that number to about 10 for each of my 2 airfields and thus I got my 'Business Traffic'.   

It is interesting that, when TX produces the TX_Biz.tcc schedule, EVERY flight is a 'ONE WEEK' schedule i.e. it covers a 7 day period, with some days not containing a flight, whereas, using TDBB, all the flights are generated containing 4-hour, 6-hour, 8-hour, 12-hour or 24-hour type schedules (dependant upon the flight times, I presume. If an out-and-return will fit into a 4 hour period then it will be a "4-hour" schedule repeating 6 times a day). Possibly some extra trial-and-error work could be done on this, using some more-distant airfields in the list?
TX must have a specific way that it generates the TX_Biz.tcc schedules before it gets compiled using TDBB within TX.

So, although I still do not know why TX wouldn't supply business AI to my airports, there is a work-around if you are desperate!

But you do have to be willing to put in some effort at manipulating files.

and some Easter Egg chocolate has fuelled this work.
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Originally posted by RayM RayM wrote:

found the problem

The aircrafttypes.csv file output by Traffic X contains a column of data that is set to "no".
By looking at the sample file in the SDK, this column is headed "Autoschedule?".
So, by changing the "no" to "yes" means that I can now proceed to generate random schedules.   

Ahh yes.

That makes sense. I seem to recall noticing that a long, long time ago. It certainly didn't come to mind here, or else I would have mentioned it.

WELL DONE finding it!

I am glad you're "up and running" again, so to speak.

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Guys,

found the problem   

The aircrafttypes.csv file output by Traffic X contains a column of data that is set to "no".
By looking at the sample file in the SDK, this column is headed "Autoschedule?".
So, by changing the "no" to "yes" means that I can now proceed to generate random schedules.   
Now I need to look into the traffic BGL to see if they are any use to me. I will probably create 'reduced' airport data files to create 'mini-random-biz' BGL files and see how I get on.

"compile-TX.bat
TrafficDataBaseBuilder /output=traffic-x.bgl /airports=airports.dat /aircraft=aircrafttypes.csv /countries=countries_regions.csv /log=log.txt /quiet=no
pause"

Thanks for helping me keep going - if you want any further info, just ask.
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Freddy,

I have been trying to get TDBB to do what it suggests it will do but with no joy so far.
I use the airports dump from FSX and the limited aircraft file generated by Traffic X when you compile TX_Biz.tcc.
As you suggested, I copied the files out to a new folder and run the batch file from there.
Still got a few more options to try when I get the time.

Note that if you do not include autoschedule the program assumes autoschedule=yes which I guess means that TDBB will generate some traffic? If you say autoschedule=no then the schedules= option has to be specified - this is for compiling any existing schedule text format file.
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Dan,
yes I had already found that post - it is a pity that PJK did not tell us how far he got with using the TrafficDataBaseBuilder program on any successful basis. I am going to post in the same Forum to see if anyone else has had any success. PJK is no longer listed in the members list so not sure if anyone will respond.
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Here's a posting that states that the Traffic Toolkit documentation is partially incorrect: Using TrafficDatabaseBuilder SDK

It's also worth noting that TrafficDatabaseBuilder.exe displays command line help if you run it with no command line arguments. Doing so shows AutoSchedule to be an optional parameter that defaults to "yes."

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I would simply blindly follow the SDK documentation and start here:

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To Build a Traffic Database using the Default Aircraft and Default Airports

Type the following command:

TrafficDatabaseBuilder /Airports=fs10.Airports.dat /AircraftTypes=fs10.AircraftTypes.csv /Output=traffic.bgl

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Notice that nowhere does this mention /autoschedule

I would take a backup copy of your current AI traffic files, and then simply run the exact command as shown above. See what it does.

If you want logs, then add the /log=log.txt parameter. In fact, I'd probably recommend you do a log because it will give clues as to what happened when you ran the command.

Doing this might yield some clues. Start with this, and then add parameters to see what each one does.

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It's too bad that the SDK documentation tells us so little about how the TrafficDatabaseBuilder automatically schedules aircraft and routes when AutoSchedule=yes.

We also don't know what criteria is used by the density slider in Traffic X's Traffic Generator to filter the TrafficDatabaseBuilder's traffic density.
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I have done some 'digging' into how TrafficX functions in my efforts to find out why the 'Random Traffic Business' seems not to work in the way I expect.
In the \compile folder the file _compile.bat is a version of the FSX SDK command used for creating and compiling AI traffic data files.

It comprises -
"trafficdatabasebuilder /output=traffic.bgl /airports=airports.dat /countries=countries_regions.csv /aircrafttypes=aircrafttypes.csv
/schedules=schedules.dat /log=log.txt /autoschedule=no /quiet=no"
To run this batch file in order to create a traffic.bgl file, the files airports.dat, countries_regions.csv, aircrafttypes.csv and
schedules.dat must already exist.
I have worked out that, when the "Compile Traffic X Flight Plans" button is selected, 4 of these files are created somehow (I do not know if it is done by internal Traffic X commands or done by a sub-version of the SDK command) -

"aircrafttypes.csv" - all aircraft types are extracted from whichever TCC files have been selected and a CSV file created using extra data from "aircrafttypes.tcc" in the \presets\data\aircraft folder,
"airports.dat" - all airport codes are extracted from whichever TCC files have been selected and a file created containing runway data for each code AND, for each type of aircraft that visits the code, adds 6 parking spots of the correct radius for that aircraft,
"schedules.dat" - all schedules listed in the selected TCC files are listed,
"log.txt" - not sure how this log gets created at this stage.
During the creation of these files, info is displayed in the TX window about which files are being processed. At the end of this process
there are brief messages "Writing aircraft" and "Writing airports".
When these have been created and the batch file runs, this is when the 'Command' DOS window appears. Whilst this is open, the
"traffic.bgl" file is being created.

"countries_regions.csv" is a fixed file which is required only when generating 'random' aircraft registrations whilst creating new TCC
files for VFR or Random Traffic Business.

Right, so having done that, I am actually no further into sorting out my original question re Random Traffic Business.

Freddy, as always, I welcome your input.

Some of the information above may explain some of the things you mentioned about the files being changed every time you 'TX compile'. I will look into using the compile command 'outside' of TX.

What I would like to achieve is the random generation of business traffic but 'outside' of TX as you are doing for your compilations.
I can get the "airports.dat" file from FSX and I can generate the "aircrafttypes.csv" (containing only >76% aircraft) using TX but I cannot 'see' how to set up the 'Options' in the SDK command that will produce a BGL of a type that TX can produce when you create a "TX_Biz.tcc" file and subsequently compile.
It will have something to do with the "/autoschedule=yes/no" option but, as yet, I cannot achieve any success. The official SDK notes on how to use this command is very poor on substance!

Will have a rest now - the 'headaches' are coming thick and fast. (If this causes any reader to get the same headaches then please don't spend too much time looking at this topic!)
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OK ... here we go ...

The Traffic X airports.dat file is merely a text file. It can be edited in Notepad. I see you already know this. Entries which appear in this file, even using Traffic X to create schedules, make no sense to me with regards to parking spot sizes. As you have already pointed out, the list of spots in this file contains spots of sizes that do not exist at the airport. I have no idea what it is doing in regards to spot sizes ... however there is no need for concern here as I am often manually editing this file and INCREASING the spot sizes to bigger numbers. As an example, I have some C130 military cargo planes flying to a military airport. The airports.dat file sets the cargo size to be whatever number it chooses and, as a result, my cargo planes do NOT appear the airport. So I just manually edit the cargo spot sizes in the airports.dat file to be 40 and, voila, my cargo planes appear (note that I do not compile through the Traffic X interface, I do a manual compile. Using the Traffic X interface will cause the files to be "re-created" and will put the spot sizes in the airports.dat file BACK to what they were before I manually edited them).

With regards to why the program is not generating random business traffic for you at your airport, you may have some success if you use the SDK to create an "FSX Airport Dump File". Then go in to Traffic X, to the Airport Information screen, and use the "Import New" button to import the airports. This will ensure that all of the necessary files are in place, within Traffic X, and they will have the correct parameters etc for the program to be able to generate the traffic.

I have never used the Traffic Database Builder program for the purposes of generating random traffic. However, I do use the files given to me by Traffic X to generate my traffic. What I mean by this is that I manually edit the files that are in the C:\...\Flight Simulator X\JustFlight\TrafficX\Presets\Data\Schedules\Compiler" folder and then I manually run the "_compile.bat" file. As I mentioned above, using the Traffic X interface will overwrite my manual edits ... but running the "_compile.bat" file does not.

On the subject of the "_compile.bat" file, open that up and have a look at it. It will give you some good clues about how to use the Traffic Database Builder program manually. I have even edited the "_compile.bat" before and had it create different .BGL filenames, amongst other things. A useful trick is to COPY the contents of the Traffic X Compiler folder to a separate location on your computer, manually edit the "_compile.bat" file, and use it in this way to generate your .BGLs.

Here are some additional notes that I wrote ages ago to do with the Random Traffic generation if you use it within the Traffic X program itself (ie, if you use Traffic X to do the generation as opposed to editing and doing things manually). This information mentioned the FSX default King Air aircraft. As I recall, I couldn't get that aircraft to appear as a business aircraft in the lists ... and thus began an investigation. These notes are the results of what I found ...


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For an aircraft to appear on the Traffic X Traffic Generator screen, it's IFR% on the Fleet Database screen must be set correctly (see below).

The Beech King Air 350 aircraft, by default, is set with an IFR% of 75%. This value prevents it from appearing on the Traffic Generator screen.

To get the Beech King Air 350 aircraft (or any other aircraft) to appear on the Traffic Generator screen, in either the VFR aircraft column or the Business aircraft column, set its IFR% value to one of the following:

For VFR aircraft...IFR% of 50% or less on the Fleet Database screen. For Business aircraft...IFR% of 76% or higher on the Fleet Database screen.

Therefore, set the IFR% for the Beech King Air 350 to 76% or higher and it will appear in the Business aircraft column of the Traffic Generator screen. Set the IFR% for the Beech King Air 350 to 50% or lower and it will appear in the VFR column of the Traffic Generator screen. It's default value of 75% does not allow it to appear in either column (which is more than likely a bug in Traffic X where a line of code is possibly written as ">75" instead of ">=75".)

You can use the IFR% value on the Fleet Database screen to "move" aircraft from one column to the other simply by setting an appropriate value for their IFR%.

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NOTE:

The Business aircraft column of the Traffic Generator screen generates IFR FLIGHTS ONLY. It does does NOT generate VFR flights. Therefore, even though the IFR% might be set to a value of 76%, it does not mean that 24% of flights generated from this screen will be VFR flights.

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Dan,

have you ever managed to get the SDK "TrafficDatabaseBuilder" program to work. Having now read the SDK notes several times and tried various combinations of the parameters, I cannot get it to create auto-generated schedules for a custom aircraft list together with the airports.dat dump from FSX.
Any ideas?

This is not a very serious attempt to create such a list and BGL but I hate to let something like this get the better of my small amount of computer intellect!
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Have come to the conclusion that, when TX generates the Random Traffic Business (RTB), not only does it only select the aircraft that have been user selected but, because it also needs an "airports.dat" file during the subsequent compile action, it has to be doing an airport selection based upon a criterion which seems to be based either on airfield/airport size or how busy it is already based upon the existing IFR schedules. I have no idea how it can do this but I think that this is about as far as I can get with this without some expert wisdom from elsewhere.
I thought that, in the past, I was always able to generate some RTB at most of the airfields/airports that I have used/modified but I may well be mistaken.
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Freddy is still here.  The fires were nowhere near me (Australia is a BIG place), and, no, I am not on vacation.

I have just been a little "out of the loop" for a while.  Moving offices at work, and lots of things that needed doing at home.  And, any spare time that I did manage to get was spent doing some ADE airport updates after purchasing ORBX's CityScene Gold Coast and CityScape Canberra.  My time has just been a little "consumed" lately.

I haven't read this thread yet.  So I won't comment at this time.  When I do get a chance, hopefully in the next day or so, I'll make an effort to bring myself up to speed and offer some input.

Watch this space ...

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Since freddy lives in Melbourne, and since there have been some bad fires in Victoria, recently, perhaps his time has been occupied by the fires. I'm hoping he's just taking a vacation!
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Dan,

from past experience, I suspect Freddy must be on holiday or otherwise busy as he normally gets involved in these types of discussions!

Yes, I am a stickler for using the ADE Fault Finder and yes, the parking list in ADE and the list shown in TX agree (apart from TX not listing Vehicle or Fuel spots).

In the absence of TX Random traffic, I have entered some 'business' traffic in TX using TX_VFR_USA.tcc but with "IFR" settings, as well as a few with AIFP, just to get some business traffic which was otherwise missing. After all, this is an airport that has quite a lot of modern industry around it and must surely have biz-jets coming and going?

No, I haven't deviated from setting of about 65% in my density slider - I find this to be a fair value that avoids an over-density of biz-traffic at airports where this does work. But I will try 100% and higher values just to test for the result.

This is really good brain-cell activity isn't it? Makes a change from the actual 'flying' - I find that I 'fly' for only about 10% of the time I spend in this activity, what with modifying airports, checking schedules, adjusting and creating callsigns, etc.
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I would like to see freddy come around and get involved in this discussion. It wouldn't hurt to get a third mind involved.

Did you run the Fault Finder in ADE before saving and compiling the airport? I only mention this because sometimes I get in a hurry and forget to do so. Is the parking list in ADE correct? I expect your answers to the previous two questions will be "yes," but it doesn't hurt to ask.

You could try setting up a custom flight plan to and from KMEV, using one of your business aircraft, to verify correct functioning. Also, have you tried changing the density slider in the Traffic Generator? (It's worth remembering that it will go above 100 percent).


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Well, after a load of testing / reading SDK / testing, etc., I am no clearer on why this airport is not generating any Random Business AI by TX - still a mystery when other airports I have modified have, generally been allocated some Random Business Traffic.

What I have discovered is that the files in the \compiler folder of TX are generated every time any TX compiling is carried out and are directly the RESULT of that compile action and are not the base files that are used when you use the Random Business Traffic generator. This process obviously uses a different version of the compiler (different OPTION_STRINGS) to create the 'random' traffic but I haven't fathomed out how it does it.
Using the "Import New" or "Update Existing" in the Airport Information page updates the file "Airports.tcc" but this file is 'compiled' and thereby not 'readable' except by using the Airport Information page. This page reflects the correct number of parking spots at my KMEV airport.

I suspect my lack of Random Business Traffic at KMEV is down to the fact that it is a relatively small airport - I will see what happens at further similar airports that I work on.

Dan, I thank you for taking an interest in my dilemma.
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