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Aloha!

First:
- my current GA-first-choice to fly
- nice visualisation inside/outside
- nice system performance
- nice menu-driven options like flight computer/light switch
- nice GTN integration
- helpful manual

I use this flyer now for my around-the-world-in-80-days without severe problems with various weather and airport situations. Together with the integrated helpers like GTN/FC it's a fun to calculate routes and alternatives for this challenge whether to fly VOR mainly or GPS in certain circumstances.
The only problems are more or less results of my own sim skills :)

But I had one issue so far: after informed about a vapour lock this couldn't be resetted by following the manual/alert message. Switching the fuel pump on for about 20 seconds or waiting 20 minutes didn't help. So I had to cheat a bit and refueling inflight to reach my approach airport...
So how to disable vapour lock/spark plug fouling correcty? Showing it in the menu item or hiding it? Both look for me identical this means no difference...

And, please, can you reduce the size of the white anti-collision flashes a bit? :) 

safe landings
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Originally posted by deanwings deanwings wrote:

Also folks, there's much writing on the subject of control sensitivity on landing which affects other xp11 ga aircraft too btw.
Nice to know.

Anyway, some XP10 aircrafts seem to behave normally in XP11.
Carenado's Saratoga, Archer II, Skymaster, 172... No problem for me.

Quote I love this justflight dev team, it's taken things up a notch.
Definitely! Waiting for JF's next GA conversions for X-Plane!!!
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Originally posted by Cornflex Cornflex wrote:

I'm using xEnviro and do not see any rain Drops on the windshield of the PA-28 even when it is raining cats and dogs. Anybody else?
see danklaue's post at forums.x-plane.org .. in short raindrops not supported yet due to performance hit, waiting for LR's upcoming software API changes which would make previous coding a wasted effort. 
Also folks, there's much writing on the subject of control sensitivity on landing which affects other xp11 ga aircraft too btw.

i love this justflight dev team, it's taken things up a notch. 
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Cornflex, I didn't try with rain yet...

Vandaley & Jimst57: Thank you for your feed back!


Glad to know that I am not such a horrible pilot, each time I land the JF Arrow III

Haha !

As the model is supposed to be very realistic, and that I pretend to get my real-life PPL some day… I started to be very anxious about my capacity ^^

(Didn’t fly a real airplane yet)


By the way, Stephen Dutton says, in his Aircraft Review (xplanereviews.com) that it is a « very sensitive machine »…


Well… I still love flying that first X-Plane JustFlight model (excepting touchdowns) And I hope JF will propose the FSX/P3D Warrior II converted for X-Plane one day.

… With an upgrade correcting the ground-handling sensibility !


But… For my PPL training, for the time being, I stil have to manage with Carenado’s Archer II to practice landings (And fixed pitch propeller category).
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I'm using xEnviro and do not see any rain Drops on the windshield of the PA-28 even when it is raining cats and dogs. Anybody else?
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I totally understand, and it´s good to hear this frome someone who can compare the real deal with the simulation. But what I don´t understand is that even when other GA-Models tend to behave bitchy on the ground, they are at least controllable - so with some practise I manage to do even hard x-wind-landings without sliding over the runway like a drunken pirate.
With the Warrior this behaviour is really extreme like I´ve never experienced in an GA-Aircraft in XPlane before.
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Originally posted by Greggy Greggy wrote:

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Other difficulty: 

When the aircraft touches the runway, after landing, (I’ve tested wind 0 kt…) yaw over-reacts.

I have tested with different flaps configuration at touchdown and even at flap 0 it is still difficult to handle. Cant’ go strait ahead at more speed than 40 kt.

Am I the only one having this problem?… ( don’t have it on other airplanes).


I find the ground handling and toe braking action with practically ALL GA planes terrible in X-Plane.

As a real world private pilot, I can tell you it's not this hard to keep a plane straight on takeoff or landing.....even in a fair crosswind.

I think X-Plane is great in many areas, but ground handling and braking need lots of work. I hope they do improve it soon.
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Originally posted by Greggy Greggy wrote:

Other difficulty: 

When the aircraft touches the runway, after landing, (I’ve tested wind 0 kt…) yaw over-reacts.

I have tested with different flaps configuration at touchdown and even at flap 0 it is still difficult to handle. Cant’ go strait ahead at more speed than 40 kt.

Am I the only one having this problem?… ( don’t have it on other airplanes).



Hi Greggy,

no, you are not. As you, i tried different configs, flaps-wise and weather-wise - with no weather, no wind at all, takeoff is ok, but it´s nearly impossible to keep the aircraft straight after touchdown - with moderate x-winds it´s even hard to make a straight takoff-run and a smooth landing is just nearly impossible. Wheels are squeeking like you are fighting the devil himself. I have several Props in my collection, but I´ve never experienced something like that.

Besides that: The atmosphere in this aircraft is amazing - and I love the level of detail! You just have the feeling that you are really there, flying the real one (did this as pax, already)...
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Originally posted by Greggy Greggy wrote:

Other difficulty: 

When the aircraft touches the runway, after landing, (I’ve tested wind 0 kt…) yaw over-reacts.

I have tested with different flaps configuration at touchdown and even at flap 0 it is still difficult to handle. Cant’ go strait ahead at more speed than 40 kt.

Am I the only one having this problem?… ( don’t have it on other airplanes).



Hi Greggy,

no, you are not. As you, i tried different configs, flaps-wise and weather-wise - with no weather, no wind at all, takeoff is ok, but it´s nearly impossible to keep the aircraft straight after touchdown - with moderate x-winds it´s even hard to make a straight takoff-run and a smooth landing is just nearly impossible. Wheels are squeeking like you are fighting the devil himself. I have several Props in my collection, but I´ve never experienced something like that.

Besides that: The atmosphere in this aircraft is amazing - and I love the level of detail! You just have the feeling that you are really there, flying the real one (did this as pax, already)...
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No I didn't. I wasn't aware of it. I flown nearly every model of Arrow from T tail to turbo non of them had automatic fuel selector 
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Hello. Ok, I will check later. Thanks
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Ok, I will check later. Thanks
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Originally posted by smokeyupahead smokeyupahead wrote:

Wow, the xplane version is simply stunning! Some controls are frozen, like the prop lever that doesn't move and some other switches. Does anyone know why? Thanks
hi my best guess is that when you restart x-plane (or developer/reload aircraft) those problems will go away. i had similar occurrence, perfect now.
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Wow,stunning visuals! I have both versions but the xplane one is unbelievably nice! I do have problems though, like the prop lever and some other swicthes that don't move. Does anyone know why? Thanks. David DD
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Wow, the xplane version is simply stunning! Some controls are frozen, like the prop lever that doesn't move and some other switches. Does anyone know why? Thanks
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Some real aircrafts have automatic tank selector (eg TBM700) but no PA28 as I know.
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Originally posted by Greggy Greggy wrote:

Hi sd_flyer, did you disable the "automatic fuel tank select" in the option popup window (left of your screen) ?

yo are there any real-world Arrow IIIs that have this "automatic fuel tank selector"?  ... or if not, was this feature requested by some gamer who can't be bothered? ;-)
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Originally posted by sd_flyer sd_flyer wrote:

I noticed that during long haul with autopilot in heading mode. After few minutes fuel tank switches from right tank to left left. I tried several time to switch it to right but it kept going back to left. Not sure why..
Hi sd_flyer, did you disable the "automatic fuel tank select" in the option popup window (left of your screen) ?
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I noticed that during long haul with autopilot in heading mode. After few minutes fuel tank switches from right tank to left left. I tried several time to switch it to right but it kept going back to left. Not sure why..
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Originally posted by Papa H Papa H wrote:

Hi Cornflex, no I don't have the poor performance you listed. Take off is fine, in fact as the performance tables state and will happily cruise at 130knt albeit at a higher fuel use figure.
I take it your full mixture rich and prop full forward during take off and clean flight configuration in the cruise.
I am using the same x plane as yourself but didn't have your issues. If it persists keep asking, I'm sure someone can help. Cheers.


Well, I fixed my "performance problem" with the Piper.
It was a beginners fault. I did not advance the prop control lever. Shame on me.   

Thanks for the hint, Papa H.
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