New Warrior II: FSX or P3D?

I received the email for the Warrior II with the discount offer for 

Thanks loads for the reply! Then I'm off to purchase in old fashioned FSX.  

Steve 451 wrote: Just downloaded the new Piper PA28. Bit disappointed to see that someone had received a discount on the new PA28 as they had they had previously brought  Piper Arrow 111 which I had. The main problem I have with the new PA 28 Warrior is the flaps. I have flown 5 different PA28's and all of them when the flaps are deployed have a tendency to rise up which you have to counter with either forward trim or pushing the yolk forward to counter it. This was very well demonstrated in the early flying club PA28 and also the Piper Archer. Sorry guys its not right. Also the acceleration on the runway seems a bit extreme. One second I was looking at the airspeed indicator next it was at 60 knots.  Any comments?

Addressing the flaps to start with:
Over the course of the PA28 variants, we have had a total of about 15 PA28 pilots and owners beta testing with us. The flap issue arrived early on, and was discussed quite extensively at the time (the initial Arrow model). The manual is fairly vague on the subject, along the lines of "pitch change with flap extension is small and can easily be held or trimmed out". No direction is given, and talking to the pilot's at the time did not give a unanimous agreement. However, only one went for a pitch upwards so the majority experience won over. I do wonder if possibly the lighter and shorter front end of the Warrior should make a difference. Our Warrior pilot beta testers didn't pick up on this as an issue, though. I do not agree with the comment that they send you into a steep descent - it is designed to be held with the smallest of pulls on the controller (more on that later).

Acceleration and take-off may need to be tweaked, but I find if trimmed correctly it lifts off very easily at roughly the area i would expect on the grass strip I used to fly from (though that was in a Socata Rallye, I freely admit to never having had the chance to fly a Warrior!).

The left turn is another area that has been thoroughly discussed, both behind the scenes and on the forums: as the aircraft has been developed with 'real world coefficients', certain areas of basic MSFS do not always play ball. One of these is the P-factor,  and that in itself appears to be having an overly - strong effect in all areas of flight. The logical option would be to remove it totally, but then you would introduce the problem noted early on in the original Arrow (yes, we tried removing it just to see!) That there is no need for rudder use during any part of the take-off roll! In the real world, any lateral imbalance can be adjusted fixed trim tabs but FS doesn't allow for that unfortunately. For that reason, I have left aileron trim enabled in the fde and provided you have either buttons, keys or an axis set for it you can use it to balance out that left turn effect. The amount you are having to hold your controller over does concern me, though, as similarly to your experience of the pitch with flaps you appear to be seeing g a far more exaggerated effect than should be happening - at all speeds, I can control the left bank with my controller only just out of its centre position.

As always, happy to work with you to improve the product, feel free to drop me a PM if you'd like and we can start going into detail without clogging up the forum and we'll see if we can get it working right for you and hopefully benefit others at the same time.
Cheers,
Paul.

With the utmost respect.
The 161 PA 28 with the lighter engine certainly does have a nose UP attitude when the flaps are deployed. I have in my time as a PPL Pilot had 3 instructors all of which teach how to either trim forward or push the yolk forward and let the aircraft settle to overcome that initial rise of the nose which is quite pronounced. I was taught by one instructor to deploy the first stage of flaps on the downwind leg at with the speed obviously in the white arc. First stage of flaps down nose goes up. So forward pressure on the yolk and forward trim. Second stage down on base leg not so much upward pressure but still some forward TRIM. Second instructor(different airfield) taught me to deploy 2 stages of flaps together on the base leg. So carb heat on reduce RPM to 1500 hold it in level flight until the speed bleeds away and deploy 2 stages of flaps. Again quite a lot of upward pressure on the nose, compensated by quite a lot of forward pressure on the yolk. Then let the aircraft settle.
I am very surprised that only one of the testers raised this point. Are they all flying the 161 hp model?

Thanks for the reply Delta558
I think on this one we will beg to differ.
After using the old Flying Club version for so long this new model looks awesome.
Can a tweak be done to change the pitch when the flaps are deployed at some time for those that want to use it. Most who don't fly the PA28 in real life will probably not worry.
For the time being its back to the old version for me.

Thanks Paul,

I do appreciate that.
It will be nice to have a PA28 that looks and fly's right. The old one is a bit dated now. (But still very good!)
By the way I did not experience the drift to the left on my set up as mentioned earlier in this forum. Just normal bit of right rudder needed.
The acceleration on the runway as stated seems a bit quick but the climb out seems to be ok.

Steve

Steve 451 wrote: Just downloaded the new Piper PA28. Bit disappointed to see that someone had received a discount on the new PA28 as they had they had previously brought  Piper Arrow 111 which I had. The main problem I have with the new PA 28 Warrior is the flaps. I have flown 5 different PA28's and all of them when the flaps are deployed have a tendency to rise up which you have to counter with either forward trim or pushing the yolk forward to counter it. This was very well demonstrated in the early flying club PA28 and also the Piper Archer. Sorry guys its not right. Also the acceleration on the runway seems a bit extreme. One second I was looking at the airspeed indicator next it was at 60 knots.  Any comments?

VH-LXH and VH-FPH from the flying school I fly in?

Steve 451 wrote: Yes I brought the Arrow from you on the 24th Feb. I received no email. I've even checked my junk mail. Nothing there.