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    Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by DaveG DaveG wrote:

Yes, you could replace the actual Mk83 model with a Tallboy for example, so it would look right, but the drop and explosion characteristics would still be those of the Mk83. Of course, then any other aircraft that used the Mk83 would be dropping Tallboy lookalikes! LOL
Using Mk82/83 as standard WWII 500lb or 1000lb bombs would be OK if you didn't look too closely as they dropped.


OK, I think keeping the Mk 82's would be ok. I don't know if they dropped 12,000 Lb. worth of those, but the effect would be rather spectacular!

They dropped sticks of incendiaries (looked like modern small "practice" bombs) and a big "Cookie", which looked like a large barrel full of HE.

Like you say we are limited to what's in Tacpack but at least the Lanc could drop something!

So here's hoping that we can have a Lanc that works!

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Yes, you could replace the actual Mk83 model with a Tallboy for example, so it would look right, but the drop and explosion characteristics would still be those of the Mk83. Of course, then any other aircraft that used the Mk83 would be dropping Tallboy lookalikes! LOL
Using Mk82/83 as standard WWII 500lb or 1000lb bombs would be OK if you didn't look too closely as they dropped.
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Originally posted by DaveG DaveG wrote:

TacPacking the Lancaster would be relatively easy for simple freefall bombs (I've added it myself for the FCS model), but the fact is the ordinance carried by the Lancaster simply doesn't exist in TacPack, that would need to be added by VRS to the TacPack code. Without that you would end up dropping modern Mk-82 or similar weapons.


That's interesting! I knew you could put a gun on a Cessna with the Tacpack SDK. But there is little chance to put a TallBoy or an Upkeep in a Tacpack Lancaster. Unless you could amend the bomb weight somehow. But youd still see a Mk 83 drop!

I suppose the 12000 Lb load could be Mk 82/83, which are in Tacpack?

Perhaps?

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TacPacking the Lancaster would be relatively easy for simple freefall bombs (I've added it myself for the FCS model), but the fact is the ordinance carried by the Lancaster simply doesn't exist in TacPack, that would need to be added by VRS to the TacPack code. Without that you would end up dropping modern Mk-82 or similar weapons.
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Originally posted by petesmiffy petesmiffy wrote:

The medal ribbons on the aircraft refer to awards to the aircrew.

 
Only partially true. S-Sugar was decorated 3 times. See this from the RAF Museum history.

https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/collections/74-A-12-Avro-Lancaster-R5868.pdf

"As ‘Sugar’s’ mission tally approached the 100 mark the press began to take an interest and ‘higher authority’ decided that the nude would have to go. In her place was inscribed Herman Goering’s vain boast ‘No enemy plane will fly over the Reich Territory’ applied by LAC Ted Willoughby, one of Sugars engine fitters in Feb 1944 assisted by F/Sgt Dan Smith. An arrow pointed to the growing number of bomb markings and the DSO ribbon ‘awarded’ after the first tour of 30 missions and a DSO after 60.Sugar was later awarded a bar to the DFC. These also reflected awards given to Sugars’ crew members."

As I understand it, this aircraft is the only one ever to be decorated by the RAF.




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Not sure how involved JF are in this Lancaster project but if they are the publisher perhaps they could intervene or persuade AH to think again. I see in the trailer that it does drop ordnance but I want to blow shit up which is what it was designed and built to do. The tech capability to do this has been around for years.
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Originally posted by Busterbvi Busterbvi wrote:


Its looking good but what a shame about Tacpack, I think a change of attitude is needed at Aeroplane Heaven. I'm also disappointed that the superb JF in house team did not do this. This most iconic plane deserves the very best standards of simulation modeling that the JF team consistently achieve.





Aeroplane Heaven wont get a sale out of me unless its weapon capable. After you have constructed missions in Tacpack/Sim director and FSCAI for AAA and Flak, just flying about from a to b is somewhat dull!

I was looking forward to using my "Dambusters" mission in a Lanc but this looks like its not going to happen.

Hopefully the Vulcan will get a Tacpack addition...But I aint holding my breath!
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The medal ribbons on the aircraft refer to awards to the aircrew.
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Its looking good but what a shame about Tacpack, I think a change of attitude is needed at Aeroplane Heaven. I'm also disappointed that the superb JF in house team did not do this. This most iconic plane deserves the very best standards of simulation modeling that the JF team consistently achieve.


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Originally posted by Uncle Bucc Uncle Bucc wrote:

You tube have a teaser trailer from Aeroplane Heaven. 
Hopefully they will have a decent camera view for the P8 compass.  Easy in the "Tiffy" but a bit awkward in the "Mossie" to get a decent bearing/reading. 




Aeroplane Heaven have stated that they do not intend to do a Tacpack compatible version.

Unless they do their own bomb release mechanism, this will be another flying museum aircraft, nice to fly about but with no weapons. I realise Tacpack and FSX@War/ P3d@War isn't for everyone, but creating missions that have a result is much more engrossing!

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You tube have a teaser trailer from Aeroplane Heaven. 
Hopefully they will have a decent camera view for the P8 compass.  Easy in the "Tiffy" but a bit awkward in the "Mossie" to get a decent bearing/reading. 


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Originally posted by bladerunner900 bladerunner900 wrote:


Hi guys.

Thanks for the heads-up Chris. I look forward to this release. Probably the last chance of a decent Avro Lancaster in my lifetime, since A2A seem to have lost the plot regarding  warbirds. Just my opinion of course. LOL

Steve.


I hope a Lanc will work with Tacpack. With a working bomb aimers position. That "halfpenny" bombsight they used in the Dambuster raid was just a couple of pegs on a Y shaped bracket...Shouldn't be hard to simulate that? However a bouncing bomb (Upkeep) will be a problem? The main focus, I surmise, should be on the engine simulation. Four Merlin's to work with.

A2A seem to be very slow to release 64 bit versions of their sims. A few have tried to stimulate interest in a Lancaster A2A, but seems like they aren't interested!

We need a dev who has a passion for the Lancaster, otherwise it will never be made, or worse still they will just make a museum version that just flies about at air shows and doesn't drop any bombs!

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Hi guys.

Thanks for the heads-up Chris. I look forward to this release. Probably the last chance of a decent Avro Lancaster in my lifetime, since A2A seem to have lost the plot regarding  warbirds. Just my opinion of course. LOL

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Originally posted by petesmiffy petesmiffy wrote:

Some good "front office" pictures on Aeroplane Heaven's FaceBook page.


It will no doubt be very welcome in P3dv4. No Oom's to worry about! But without Tacpack compatibility, its a military sim without vital functions!
All military sims in Prepared should have the Tacpack compatibility. It would enhance the simulation and no doubt increase sales!

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Some good "front office" pictures on Aeroplane Heaven's FaceBook page.
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Hi Simon.

The bomb aimer view must be a "view", which should be in your .cfg file. I have forgotten where that is in fs9 (its a long time ago!). But if you open the aircraft.cfg file in notepad, scroll down, there should be a couple of entries. If not then something's wrong?

My thought were to do the "Dambusters recreated" movie using the 617 Tornado. Since the JF 64 bit Tonka is hangared due to maintenance..!
   I decided to explore the VRS Superbug. Glad I did! What a simulation!

Of course I would have preferred a fully working Lanc. But the way things are with devs these days, I will be waiting a long time I think!

The only other WW2 Bomber with credentials for being a simulation, is the A2A B17. Again here we see reluctance on the part of A2A to "convert" it to 64 bit?

So after I discovered how deep a simulation the VRS Superbug is with Tacpack, I don't think I can go back to non armed warplanes in P3d?

The Tacpack SDK is available to all. Some guys have even put a Vulcan onto a Cessna. I am sure it wouldn't take much for a dev to put weapons onto a Tornado or Canberra or a new version of a Lancaster? If there is a will?

Unfortunately, we seem to be in a minority. We are a niche within a niche hobby and arnt seen as a commercial proposition!

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Thanks Dave,

I did send a tech support request to JF and they were not able to help.  The Lancaster add on is not supported (go figure) so they suggested the forum.  Just a tad frustrated I can't find the bomb aimers position and hence can't release ordnance.  I am not sure where to turn to next.  Any other ideas?

I have had a look at your blog and the J Johnny route.  It is amazing David.  You must have spent lot of time researching it and setting up the idea.  I managed to only get about 15 mins into the sim but will get back to it later.  You should be very proud of that.  

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Originally posted by Simon Caire Simon Caire wrote:

Thanks Dave for the info.  Yes I will have a look at your dams raid route.  I am very interested in that.  I have been doing a bit more research on the dams raid recently.

Any idea who might be able to help me re my FS9 issue and selecting the two other aircraft stations?

I am having fun aircraft simming.  Had thought about it for a ing time and finally bit the bullet late last year after I was at a work function in the Australian war memorial.  It was an evening meal, and we were in the RAAF Hall, which includes a Lancaster sitting proudly on display.  That got my interest up again, so I did it.  

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No worries!

It's a fine hobby, especially for retired types!

Sorry I can't help with fs9. You could send JF a support request ticket?

I have been simming since the Commodore 64 days and now find myself on the latest 64 bit P3dv4. I would recommend considering the upgrade, it's the unlimited VAS that's great for the future. Trouble is some developers are slow to upgrade Sims to 64 bit. Some try and mess up?


Regarding the route I used in my "modern recreation" post the link in your browser and it should take you to the Dutch pilot who researched it. He used the navigator logs of Vivian Nicholson's, the navigator in Dave Maltby's "J" Johnny. The route, when flown in P3dv4 with Orbx North Germany, becomes clear! Orbx have even got the Slag Heap at waypoint "G". This was the i.p. for the turn south towards the Mohne Dam. Nearly all the other visual waypoints used can be found. But you need Orbx in 64 bit to really see what's there!

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Thanks Dave for the info.  Yes I will have a look at your dams raid route.  I am very interested in that.  I have been doing a bit more research on the dams raid recently.

Any idea who might be able to help me re my FS9 issue and selecting the two other aircraft stations?

I am having fun aircraft simming.  Had thought about it for a ing time and finally bit the bullet late last year after I was at a work function in the Australian war memorial.  It was an evening meal, and we were in the RAAF Hall, which includes a Lancaster sitting proudly on display.  That got my interest up again, so I did it.  

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Originally posted by Simon Caire Simon Caire wrote:

Hi Fellow Lancaster lovers,

I have just joined in the Flight Simulator world and am enjoying learning to fly on MFS 9 and MFSX.  In particular, I am just getting started on the Just Flight Lancaster (favourite aircraft) on MFS 9.

Was hoping for some advice:  I can't seem to find the Bomb aimer position or front turret position in the Option C aircraft.  I cycle through the views and only get the cockpit, virtual cockpit, spot and tower views.  What am I doing wrong?

Also, can anyone suggest some locations to fly from to be able to get some good scenery for coastal low level flight, and a target or two for the upkeep and grand slam.

Thanks everyone from the newbie for your advice.

Simon


Hello Simon.

Unfortunately I don't have fs9 anymore, so have no idea about the JF Lanc for fs9. What I do know is that if they release this for P3dv4 with TacPack, I would think all my birthdays had com at once. I would pay twice to get that!!

If you want to fly the exact route AJ-J (Dave Maltby's Lancaster flew on the dams raid) there is a link here for the site.

I used this exact route in my "Modern Recreation" video.

https://dambustersblog.com/2011/09/21/dams-raid-route-%e2%80%93-a-modern-re-creation/

Happy simming!
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