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ATL98A
P/UT Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Location: Western Canada Points: 171 |
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Thanks for the info. The Dove's that I flew for real had Boost, including G-BBYA. Despite having served in the RAF, in the '60's, and '70's, I never at any time came into contact with a Devon. Thanks for the reminder, but I was aware of the PSI/Hg comparison.
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Martyn
Just Flight Staff Development Manager Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Huntingdon, UK Points: 7615 |
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Thanks for all of the feedback so far. It has all been reported to the developer. Please continue to report any issues you encounter to the support team.
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andresico
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Beta testing... The Justflight/Aeroplane heaven Lockheed Electra was published with 3 out of 3 navigation instruments non-funcional. And it took 3 servicepacks to get them fixed. So thats the standard.
Has anyone tried using the aircraft.cfg and airfile from the freeware Devon:
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Bobcat
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Yes, it is not the best aircraft to fly at the moment; it needs some work, but I am sure they will get on top of it.
I took the Heron for a spin today to compare, and whilst it does wander a bit vertically, it is a lot more stable and nicer to fly, and I can trim it up fairly well. Judging by the look of the Heron windows and the fairly non-reflective finish paint textures, it looks like it was made by the same developer. The model and virtual cockpit are a lot better on the Dove though, so it just shows how things have moved on in terms of standards. I just wonder if there was a decent beta-tester on the Dove flight dynamics, as the issues were apparent to me within a matter of seconds.
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Ianbr
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Hi all, just finished an evenings flying and have found the above problems mentioned in Aircraft Handling.
I did however note on this trip poor acceleration on take off with flaps one notch down. On looking at the flap lever i did notice it was indicating 50, and full flap 100. According to FRC one notch should be 20 deg of flap. Full flap should be 60 deg and used only for fields under 4000ft. Also I did feel that the C of G under full load was possibly far out. Also with it left at defaults it is overloaded yet the Devon is rated to a book figure of 9150lbs.
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Ianbr
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Hi all
I have to admit I enjoy flying the Dove/Devon . I noted your question Re Boost Guages, I have The Pilots Manual, Last update28.3.84. It mentions that in some aircraft the Boost Guages may be replaced by Manifold Pressure Guages. So this RAF Devon C2 may have been this way at sometime. If you fly by FRCs Boost pressure X 2 is added to 30 for an approximate translation to Manifold Pressure. Going to enjoy another flight this Evening IanBr
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Bobcat
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That is the thing. At the moment it noses up quite badly with power off which brings on the stall really quickly. it then goes in to tail first deep stall which is very hard to recover from, even with full power and full nose down elevator deflection. I pride myself on not having prangs in FSX. Like most experienced users/flyers, I can land anything given a few minutes to test handling and speed range behaviour, but I had the Dove tail first into the runway on my first 2 attempts! I am wondering if it is a balance thing more than flight dynamics, but I am not an expert on these things. Like I say, the developers need a chance to sort it out. I love the aircraft in general but I just want it made more 'flyable'.
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Christopher Low
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Surely all aircraft would start to "nose up" when speed increases?
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andresico
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How does the Dove react when in level cruising you lower the power and let it loose altitude.
Does it build up speed and level out by itself or does it just continue going down faster and faster? My comments about textures are as Bobcat wrote, but since i havent bought this addon, I only referring to screenshots. But nice to get a comment. At this moment I´m on standby with this one. All the comments on trim here and on other forums make me wait. The AeroplaneHeaven/ Justflight Electra has issues with the trim as well. It can be made slightly better fidling with the Aircraft.cfg but it will never be a level flyer and always require yoke corrections or autopilot. Since there are many other things to like in the Electra I accept some of its issues as it is now after service pack 3 and I use it now and then. Before sp3 I never flew it.
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Bobcat
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A lot of people have commented saying the Dove was a forgiving and docile aircraft to fly, but I am finding it very difficult to control in FSX at the moment, so I think the flight dynamics definitely need a tweek.
It certainly seems to alter pitch too strongly on its own, and is hard to keep in level flight. I would expect nose up with power and speed, and nose down with power off and speed dropping, but it exhibits exactly the opposite of this behaviour at the moment, to quite some degree. I have been in a few deep tail end stalls at low speed that I have not been able to recover from, and when picking up speed it then wants to nose down very strongly. I have raised a report so that the developers can have a look at tweaking it. They will put it right at the first service pack I am sure. As for the paint - I have looked at nearly all of the liveries now. The external modelling and paintwork are exquisite, but I agree, whilst the windows are quite reflective, the paintwork does seem to lack the right amount of glint or reflection making them look flat, matt effect, and a little 2D. Some modellers overdo it on reflection, such as PMDG in my opinion, but this is a little too much the other way. I use DX10 and have turned on SweetFX2 again to try to to put some life in, but whilst bloom is there off the white surfaces, reflection is very little. Like I say, most releases these days require a service pack and I am sure the developers will make it better. It is a great model that's for sure.
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kevinh
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It was a daft question really as the JF Dove seems very slow to accelerate.
I'm not a pilot so I never flew one, but I have been flown in a few. The RAE used them as communication aircraft between the various sites and while working there I got a few trips in the Devon between Farnborough and Bedford. Pure joy, so when this addon showed up as under development it was a must have. All I need is the RAE raspberry ripple livery. If I could work out the paint kit I would paint it myself. Cheers Kevin |
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Martyn
Just Flight Staff Development Manager Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Huntingdon, UK Points: 7615 |
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Which new screenshots are you referring to? The textures/liveries haven't been made less shiny or more flat. |
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ATL98A
P/UT Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Location: Western Canada Points: 171 |
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Good question! My "sentimentality", and affection for the Dove originates in the '70's. I flew two types of Dove, the 1B, and the 6. To be more precise the Dove 6 that I flew on several occasions was in fact G-BBYA. The last time being December 12, 1977, according to my log book it was a "period" check by a another pilot. But I digress. I understand, and agree that time does play tricks, but I seem to remember the take-off run being a little more lively on the 6 than in the JF version Dove. I should imagine nothing like as good as the Dove 8, or Devon. In fact I have in the last 2 days found my old Dove checklist in a box in the shed........one that I liberated from Fairflight one day at Biggin Hill. Enjoy your Dove, she was a beautiful, and forgiving aeroplane.
Perhaps some FSX artist would care to create the "Riley Keegan Dove".......now that in its time was little pocket rocket! |
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kevinh
P/UT Joined: 12 Nov 2008 Points: 211 |
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The Devons have boost gauges and darker grey panel paintwork.
What is the problem with takeoff performance. Too good or not good enough? I find the autopilot very sluggish in pitch, far too easy to dial in too much pitch angle demand and then it overshoots. Roll seems OK. But of course I have no idea how well the original worked so it might be correct. Kevin |
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ATL98A
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Have just purchased the Dove out of sentimentality. Not quite sure just yet. Take off performance not quite as I remember.........Manifold, instead of Boost gauges. Cockpit a wee bit clinical. Perhaps I am being a tad picky, it is only a game after all.......but generally a reasonable release.
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andresico
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I havent bought it and wont do so untill I see that this release is relatively bug-free. I dont want another Electra experience.
But I will buy it. I have one question. I dont know if I need to clean my glasses and my pc screen, but the textures on the new screenshots look very dull and flat. i remember them as being more shiny and "alive" any comments on that? Andrés
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Voice of Reason
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Kevin, thanks for the information, much appreciated, we'll update that on the site.
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kevinh
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Well worth the wait. Installing it as I write. A minor piece of pedantry and something easy to fix. The website (and presumably the manual) talks about the RAF and RN versions being the Devon C20. The RN Sea Devons were indeed the C20, but the RAF versions were the Devon C1 and Devon C2. Cheers, Kevin |
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Martyn
Just Flight Staff Development Manager Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Huntingdon, UK Points: 7615 |
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pomak249
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No problem with that here guys - cant wait to add it to my fleet reckon it'll become my favourite - Happy New Year
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