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    Posted: 22 Feb 2014 at 3:15pm
with noseweel steer mode on or off, still no noseweel steer!
anybody?;-)

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Have you clicked the hidden click spot on the 2d trim panel?
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Mode is reversed in manual to actual. Use tooltips in sim to find the correct clickspot.
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Thanks Simon, I could've been a little more helpful couldn't I.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beldar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2014 at 6:58am
Yes i use tooltip and clickspot in 2D panel. It goes from off to on but still no noseweelsteer.


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Turned off Autostabiliser?
Selection also accessible through the Flight Analysis Tool.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beldar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2014 at 12:05pm
i was think its was off, will try it again to make sure. Cant do it via flight analysis tool because it wont open! ;-)
will inform how it goes.
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just try it again no noiseweelsteer! Deflect russerpeddals full left-right noseweel dont move! autostabeliser is off!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2014 at 5:41pm
OK, same problem with Tool. 

Ket's take a stab at doing it manually: Open the panel folder for the aircraft, open Canberra.cfg. 

Scroll down to the bottom.

[NOSEGEAR]
NOSEGEAR=0

change to

[NOSEGEAR]
NOSEGEAR=1

See if that works!
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If that doesn't work, open the aircraft.cfg file in the simobjects/airplanes/Canberra folder using notepad. Scroll down to the contact points section. Point.0 (the first one) is the line which defines the properties of the nosewheel and should look like this:
 

point.0= 1,  12.30,   0.00, -5.650, 1600, 0, 0.575, 180.00, 0.100, 4.200, 0.600, 3.800,  4.400, 0, 197.3, 250.3
 
The 8th value (180.00) defines the nosewheel as 'free castoring'. Change that to a sensible figure (I'd suggest 56.00, as that is what the 'tool' would alter it to), save and reselect your aircraft. That should give you a Canberra with 56deg of nosewheel steering either side of centre.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beldar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2014 at 8:18pm
checked it out this is what i have in contactpoints:
point.0= 1,  12.30,   0.00, -5.650, 1600, 0, 0.575, 56.00, 0.100, 4.200, 0.600, 3.800,  4.400, 0, 197.3, 250.3 NWS. 

Big diff from what you have !!

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i tryed both manual inputs , still no joy!
 
i notice that with noseweelsteer "on" the rudder dont move anymore!

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The only difference I see with your contact point from mine is that yours is set up for nosewheel steering. It should be working, the fact that your rudder isn't moving suggests that it is possibly something to do with the clickspot on the trim panel which would engage differential braking - that is the only thing I am aware of which would 'freeze' the rudder.
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Just to be extra certain, with FSX closed, open the Canberra Flight Analysis Tool (Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Just Flight\Canberra PR9\Canberra Flight Analysis Tool), go to the aircraft configuration tab and in the upper (steering options) box make sure the top option (direct nose-wheel steering) is selected.  Click apply in the bottom right of the window and close in the bottom left.

Now start FSX using the default flight, then go to an airport and then load the Canberra.  Open the trim panel and hover your mouse over the hidden steering clickspot; it should say OFF.  That's fine, don't click it.  Now go the aircraft menu and select the Canberra again.

Doing this, I have a Canberra with nose wheel steering and brakes that work.

The problem has been posted in the beta forum and JF are aware of it, but for now, the above might help you.

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beldar,

If the contact points have not worked, and the rudder isn't working then I would assume that the problem is external - probably based on auto rudder being applied, yam damper being on and inherited from the saved flight, or the autopilot is on.

You will need to be systematic and do as Paul suggests - create a NEW default flight using a default aircraft, then switch to the PR9.
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I honestly don't know if this makes a difference but is the final line of your contact points section .. SwitchingStatus=NWS

If you have castoring nose wheel and diff braking (the 180 option), the last line reads SwitchingStatus=DSS

Changing the contact point as suggested has been the only option for me as I can't get into Canberra Flight Analysis and until I can, I have 2 aircraft.cfg files which I rename as required.. one with NWS and the other with DSS


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Paul, i cant do it like you say because the flight analysis tool wont open! So that a prob aswell.
Did like you said but without the tool. Still no joy!!
the only thing that works is castoring nose wheel and diff braking.

So nope still no noseweelsteer for me!!

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i wonder if these and other small probs have something to do with tool not working ?! 

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That problem obviously isn't helping Carlo.

Here's something for you to try. I have uploaded my PR9 config setup for nose wheel steering EDIT: PM sent with link..if you want to try it. Backup your original and load the model up with this one. There should be nothing different in it from the original except that this is setup for nose wheel steering. If this doesn't work, we know we have to look elsewhere

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hate to be the bringer of bad news again.......but it did not work.

still no noseweel.

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