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MarkH
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NO NEED.
'It does not explain the lack of warming the last 16 years.' Your argument is now hinging on conspiracy theories and tabloid science. Do you actually read anything anyone writes in response to your drivel? Martin explained this earlier, but as you have admitted already, you don't read any of it so their is probably no point in posting these links - Last 16 years video A nice little video to cut through some lies. Last '16 years' story shown to have used cherry picked data Here you go Vulcan, the explanation you where asking for, not that you will read/believe it. Rose debunked David Rose, the author of the 'article' is shown up for what he really is. He told 'porky pies' SHOCK. Fox News slammed for regurgitating the Daily Mail article Says it all really. "Never let facts get in the way of a good story". Phil Plait's response Well worth a read. "The difficulties in debunking blatant antireality are legion. You can make up any old nonsense and state it in a few seconds, but it takes much longer to show why it’s wrong and how things really are. This is coupled with how sticky bunk can be. Once uttered, it’s out there, bootstrapping its own reality, getting repeated by the usual suspects." "So let this be clear: There is no scientific controversy over this. Climate change denial is purely, 100 percent made-up political and corporate-sponsored c***. When the loudest voices are fossil-fuel funded think tanks, when they don’t publish in science journals but instead write error-laden op-eds in partisan venues, when they have to manipulate the data to support their point, then what they’re doing isn’t science." Phil Plait Ph D. Astronomer and ex NASA. Nice one Phil Regards, Mark. |
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patrico
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while some people like the snow, spare a thought for me in a wheelchair I need snow chains. Last week and every year it snows, I am trapped indoors until the snow melts off my ramp (3-5 days)
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Many Thanks
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MartinW
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Mark, what can I say. Superb response, eloquent and succinct. Why is it that you and I can debunk this ridiculous 16 year warming claim, definitively, in a few minutes... but Vulcan can't. Stand by for Vulcan to ignore this as well. He probably won't even watch the videos. Once again, there will be no counter argument from Vulcan. He will simply ignore it, pretend it hasn't happened. The second sentence of my first post is becoming very apt, don't you think? It's a pain to keep repeating this stuff, but what we have done is perhaps prevent those who are undecided on the issue, from being influenced by Vulcan's propaganda. It makes me smile that he's obsessed with conspiracy, but simultaneously falls for the corporate sponsored, politically motivated, denialist garbage. Vulcan has fallen for it hook line and sinker. Worth posting this again... There is no scientific controversy over this. Climate change denial is purely, 100 percent made-up political and corporate-sponsored c***. |
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MartinW
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Must be really difficult Paddy. It's bad enough for me with my back injury. Worries me that I may fall and aggravate my back. Good news is that the snow is now gone in the midlands, reasonably warm and sunny too.
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MartinW
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I just had to post this...
But of course, Vulcan rarely reads what the scientists say, he prefers the Daily Fail. |
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hifly
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The bottom line to all of the above is the question of the motivation for supporters of each side of the broader climate change argument. The scientists who have brought climate change to our attention will get kudos, funding (perhaps) and the satisfaction that they could be saving the planet.
Now call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but with melting ice caps and glaciers I know which side of the fence I'm on. The irony is, if we drive our cars and heat our homes using fossil fuels then we are all complicit.
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MartinW
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You bet, check out the infamous Heartland Institute, or the role Exon Mobil has played in regard to promoting the anti scientific deniers. And Koch industries. Aptly named. And not forgetting the right wing organisations, the politicians in the US for example, with big bucks to protect.
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VulcanB2
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You've gone and missed what I wrote on page 1 of this thread. I'll quote it YET AGAIN.
Did you read that? Yes, I read your links, too. If you average the 16 years data, why is it slightly negative if it is supposed to be warming on average? I hope the question is simple enough for you to: a) answer b) realize I'm not trying to avoid the point. There is no cherry picking of data. I see that no-one is arguing the basic data, but merely the representation of it. The data is in front of you, so answer the question please and stop side-tracking with false arguments about how I don't read replies. I'll put the question in large print, as you obviously have bad eye-sight: If you average the 16 years data, why is it slightly negative if it is supposed to be warming on average? Best regards, Vulcan. |
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VulcanB2
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Tell you what I'll be back in 4 years (if this forum still exists then). Let's see what happens...
Best regards, Vulcan. |
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MarkH
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Erm... Vulcan, let me try and sum up your question and get this straight.
"Let me re-state for the millionth time. I do *NOT* dispute WARMING is occurring." And yet in the same post - "If you average the 16 years data, why is it slightly negative" So you are asking why global warming and global cooling is occurring at the same time? CONGRATULATIONS!!! "Yes, I read your links" I would suggest you started reading your own. I can no longer refer to you as Vulcan, their is no logic in your responses. I can only conclude that you have recently mind-melded with a gerbil. Regards, Mark. |
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MartinW
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Vulcan has put his foot in it again.
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MartinW
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Vulcan... there is no controversy, and not just in terms of "the planet is warming", but no controversy in terms of "we are the cause of a significant percentage of the warming". So no need for you to post your response.
I've responded to that claim a thousand times on the forum. Is your selective memory a conspiracy theorists favourite tool? The oposite, entering a new ice age, right now: Changes in both the orbit and tilt of the Earth do indeed indicate that the Earth should be cooling. But the warming effect from CO2 and other greenhouse gases is greater than the cooling effect expected from natural factors. Conversely, if we are still warming: Strictly speaking we are still in an ice age, because the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist. But any warming that may or may not be taking place would be imperceptibly small, it would be on a geological time scale. Nothing like the rapid rise in temperature we have seen since the industrial revolution, that's in step with OUR EMISSIONS. And don't you dare criticise the hockey stick. |
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MartinW
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No lies, just you not bothering to ask those that know, the scientists. Instead you refer to climate change denier web sites, and as you admit, rarely read what the scientists say, because you get all you need from the telly.
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MartinW
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Nothing, it's too short term for MMGW to be significantly worse. Good grief. We really do waste our time.
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