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VulcanB2
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013 at 4:56pm |
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Really?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-21063003
Yes, yes... weather not climate... *nods head sarcastically in agreement* There should be less snow, not more. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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wain
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yes and here in bristol we are on amber. if we get it everyone else is stuffed. got loads of window cleaning to do tomorrow, dont think its going to happen though....
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MartinW
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Sorry, but after all these years of listening to this climate change trolling from you, I can restrain myself no longer. I really do think you have a brain the size of a pea. No climate scientist has ever said the UK would never get any snow. Quite the contrary. More EXTREME weather, including cold weather, in the UK, as a result of climate change, is highly likely, due to the diversion of the jet stream, and in the longer term disruption to the gulf stream. Not that a bit of snow for a few days in January is extreme anyway, it's not. It's normal winter weather. Climate change: The GLOBE in terms of LONG TERM, AVERAGE temperature getting warmer. GLOBAL warming is NOT invalid because the UK had snow in January 2013. |
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VulcanB2
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I stopped caring when interesting debates turned into personal attacks. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html They said this 13 YEARS AGO:
Anyway... we know you prefer computer models to hard facts. How long is "a few years"? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 1,000 years? I'm not waiting for the above to become true - got better things to do! Best regards, Vulcan. |
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Slopey
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It's not really an interesting debate though - one liners about a non-relevant weather feature, common at this time of year in the UK regardless of the global situation, doesn't really cut it does it.
It might snow here, as you'd expect in Jan/Feb, but then in Australia they have temperatures higher than ever recorded. Again, that doesn't prove climate change and could be a local phenomenon due to a confluence of local weather systems. But pointing at the snow and trying to use it to disprove climate change is not informed debate. |
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VulcanB2
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Agreed. Let me re-state for the millionth time. I do *NOT* dispute WARMING is occurring. WE ARE STILL LEAVING THE LAST ICE AGE. That is not in dispute. What I dispute is this: THE CAUSE! i.e. everything MMGW/Climate Change says that CO2 is the CAUSE, and worse, all warming since the 40s is due to man! The scientists from the British Antarctic Survey doing the ground work say CO2 rise LAGS temperature. Ice cores show the same thing. Long-term historic analysis shows the same thing. Why do they keep perpetuating lies? The biggest joke of them all is the idea that by reducing man-made sources of CO2 emissions, we can stop the planet warming AT ALL. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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Errm, in your first post, you did exactly that. |
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I know. Did you not consider the possibility it was deliberate?
I'm being as ridiculous as the IPCC in my claims. At least someone is paying attention. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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So you're posting a sarcastic/frivolous comment, then claiming it's an "interesting debate" 3 posts later? Just to then follow up that it was nothing of the sort a few more posts later?
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To drag this back to a debate then, read this and post your thoughts? http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/science-gets-stratosphere-wrong Best regards, Vulcan. |
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MartinW
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Okay,you want our thoughts? Once again you have visited a climate change denier website. The website was set up by Doug L Hoffman, a well known republican climate change denier. He also wrote a book [and made money] with the same title. He is a LAWYER, he is NOT a climate scientist. If you visit climate change deniers websites then what will you find? Once again you haver demonstrated a classic tendency toward "confirmation bias". You routinely vist known climate change deniers websites, and routinely ignore all responses that opose your viewpoint. |
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MartinW
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So, you claim you were just kidding when you implied global warming wasn't happening... because we "should be getting less snow". Don't make us laugh. Time and time again you have appeared on the forum and claimed that a cold snap is evidence of no warming. Just being ironic then as well were you? This, and the fact that you ignore all responses to your claims, and then keep coming back and spouting the same tripe, convinces me that you are basically just trolling the forum. What do you hope to achieve? Same claims, same responses, same lack of a counter argument from you... no one benefits, everyone is irritated.
Well what do you expect,
when you keep making the same claims over, and over, and over again. While
ignoring any response that doesn’t confirm your belief or hypothesis. Classic confirmation bias. You drive us nuts! I'll ignore the "we are coming out of an ice age" comment, as
I have answered that a thousand times, and you are still ignoring me. |
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VulcanB2
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I see that in two threads so far you have completely ignored the very serious point that the base data is COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE, and you have no comment on it so far.
The base data is what underpins ALL arguments, pro- and anti-, and you should be very concerned that basic data is corrupted and thus unreliable for ANYTHING, but instead you just write what you did above. That is what I mean about personal attacks. "Debate the topic, not the man". If you have to debate the man, well... Best regards, Vulcan. |
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Magic Man
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Under the red zone here, wasn't that bad actually, at least so far. About 5/6 inches.
How about tax reductions for those of us with 4x4's |
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MartinW
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Repeating the same thing, like you do, over and over again, while ignoring the responses of others, must be a sign of some kind of psychological malady, surely. Just like you do with me, you ignored all of the points Mark raised. You are trolling the forum, you have been for years. When you can debate properly and offer a reasonable counter argument to our replies, you will be taken seriously. Until then, your posts are just an annoyance. |
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VulcanB2
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Did you even read the report? THEY ARE SCIENTISTS/MATHEMATICIANS. Sheesh... Best regards, Vulcan. |
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MartinW
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Mathematicians are not climate scientists.
In addition, this link... Is a website and article written by Doug Hoffman, a lawyer. Not a climate scientist. Doug Hoffman, a lawyer, is attempting to interpret data he doesn't have the qualifications to interpret. He also makes money selling books, lectures etc, promoting anti climate change. Do you understand the motivation? In addition, from your previous topic... This link... Is from a climate change denier website, set up by a Republican TV weather man, climate change denier. The web site was funded by the infamous and utterly discredited Heartland Institute. And the "research" referred to, was by Michael Beanstock an economics professor Michael Beanstock is well known for his anti climate change stance. In addition, N. Paldor and Y. Reingewertz, Beanstock's co authors, are also known climate change deniers. Also both economists. If you wish to visit websites set up by discredited organisations, and run by TV weather men, and believe what you read, go ahead. If you wish to refer to mathematicians, lawyers, and economists with agendas, while ignoring qualified climate change scientists, go ahead. But don't be surprised when the opinions you get are diametrically opposed to the truth. |
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Magic Man
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Excellent counters my man - good post!
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MarkH
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I second that Mr Magic
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MartinW
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Don't worry, he'll be back with one of his usual responses. Something we've no doubt discussed many times before, a response he's chosen to ignore because it doesn't back up his crazy theories. This topic reminds me of his 9/11 "the US government did it" nonsense. Don't ask a structural engineer, oh no, ask someone with zero qualifications in the field, who's trying to make loads of dosh selling videos, books etc. Who does this sound like...
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