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Now just to get Martin to realize that the other things are to do with oil too...

The supply is not infinite.

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Originally posted by MartinW MartinW wrote:

Originally posted by Hotty Hotty wrote:

I dunno why the Argentines want the islands anyway

 

That one's easy Hotty... oil!

 

60 billion barrels they believe.

 

It's worth going to the effort to clear mines, if the reward is 60 billion barrels.


The oil's been on the table for several years now. Rumour on the street is that the Kirchner's, who've been active politically in Argentina for 40 years or so have had some very dodgy dealings behind them. Encite the mis-held belief by many Argentines about the "wrongs" of the "Malvinas", and hope it focusses the heat somewhere else.

As for mines, we've asked in the past if they'd be prepared to clear them The answer? No. Therefore they can'seriously want the islands "back", so can shut up. Due to the boggy nature of the ground in some areas, the mines planted in 1982 have scarred the islands for ever.
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Originally posted by VulcanB2 VulcanB2 wrote:

Now just to get Martin to realize that the other things are to do with oil too...

The supply is not infinite.

Best regards,
Vulcan.
 
Once again you have wiped all previous conversations from your consciousness.
 
We have discussed this before and as said then, no one has ever made it a secret that oil is in in short supply and a finite resource. It has always been "one" of the reasons why cutting our reliance on fossil fuels is a good idea. You know the other.
 
Use of the forum search function and a read of previous posts will refresh your memory.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MartinW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Hot_Charlie Hot_Charlie wrote:

Originally posted by MartinW MartinW wrote:

Originally posted by Hotty Hotty wrote:

I dunno why the Argentines want the islands anyway

 

That one's easy Hotty... oil!

 

60 billion barrels they believe.

 

It's worth going to the effort to clear mines, if the reward is 60 billion barrels.


The oil's been on the table for several years now. Rumour on the street is that the Kirchner's, who've been active politically in Argentina for 40 years or so have had some very dodgy dealings behind them. Encite the mis-held belief by many Argentines about the "wrongs" of the "Malvinas", and hope it focusses the heat somewhere else.

As for mines, we've asked in the past if they'd be prepared to clear them The answer? No. Therefore they can'seriously want the islands "back", so can shut up. Due to the boggy nature of the ground in some areas, the mines planted in 1982 have scarred the islands for ever.
 
I gather that idiot Shaun Penn has got involved, and  claims the UK are responsible for colonialisation and should get out of the Falklands. On that basis, the US should give back America to the American Indians, Argentina back to the descendants of the Inca, Australia should be given back to the Aborigine's, and New Zealand back to the Maori's. Not to mention a mulitude of other nations...
 
Get lost Shaun, it's our sovereign territory.
 
He should stick to directing his films.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VulcanB2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2012 at 7:51pm
Quote I gather that idiot Shaun Penn has got involved, and claims the UK are responsible for colonialisation and should get out of the Falklands. On that basis, the US should give back America to the American Indians, Argentina back to the descendants of the Inca, Australia should be given back to the Aborigine's, and New Zealand back to the Maori's. Not to mention a mulitude of other nations...

Get lost Shaun, it's our sovereign territory.

He should stick to directing his films.

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Maybe the Argentinians are paying him to do PR for them?

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Apparently he went over to Argentina, met the dodgy president, and pledged his support.
 
I have no words that express my disgust appropriately.
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Penn is just one of the liberal Hollywood elite.  There are many of them who seem to believe that because they are successful entertainers that somehow confers great political wisdom upon them and that the rest of us should care about their opinions in matters they know little about.  The press, of course, aid and abet, giving them a platform.

Penn is also a buddy of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, who is very anti-American.  Chavez was, a year or two ago, attempting to create a major entertainment industry in Venezuela to rival Hollywood.  I think Penn was one of those involved in that.  Mr. Penn hates his country and makes no secret of it. Apparently he's broadened his portfolio and now hates yours as well.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hot_Charlie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 4:47pm
Madrid and Paris could have claims that pre-date any Buenos Aires think they have!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MartinW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 6:30pm
I, like most sensible people, dislike the Daily Fail, but this says it all really.
 
 
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Another week and another vainglorious and ill-informed Hollywood actor wades into a serious political issue only to make a complete twit of himself.

Sean Penn thinks Britain is being ‘colonialist, ludicrous and archaic’ about the Falkland Islands, and insists we must accept some sort of sharing agreement with Argentina, or he will be very cross with us.

Well, the chaps aboard HMS Dauntless must be quaking in their hammocks.

But far from proving his heavyweight moral and intellectual credentials, as he evidently hopes, Penn has merely proved what we suspected all along. Actors should speak the lines that somebody else has written for them, and then shut up.

Instead, all too often, they glimpse something important on the horizon and dash after it — only, with wearisome predictability, to grab completely the wrong end of the stick.

They are like simple-minded spaniels, only not half so cute to watch.

Even by the usual standards of pompous pronouncements from unelected and unqualified celebrities, Penn’s latest outburst is toe-curling.

The status of the Falkland Islands, unusually in a wider world full of competing claims, half-truths and awkward compromises, is remarkably clear-cut.

The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British. As long as that is the case, there is simply no need for further discussion.

The involvement of Mr Penn, however, raises all kinds of interesting questions. He’s a celebrated actor, a double Oscar winner and a relentless campaigner for world peace, but has been found guilty of domestic violence towards Madonna during their brief marriage, and of beating up photographers who displease him.



 
Quote Penn is just one of the liberal Hollywood elite
 
I could probably be accused of swaying somewhat toward the liberal myself, but Penn's liberalism is not so much the point, his utter lack of logic is.
 
If Penn is liberal, then he gives liberalism a bad name. 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote papeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 3:52am
Penn isn't just liberal, he's liberal to the extreme with a strong leaning towards socialism, maybe even communism.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MartinW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 10:00am
I don't think socialists or communists believe in giving up islands that belong to them do they?
 
A more accurate term would be nutter perhaps?
 
Liberalism is about equal rights, so maybe he should consider the rights of the Falkland islanders, the right of the Falkland islanders to decide who governs them?
 
Somebody should ask Penn if the US should give back California to the Mexicans?
 
 
 
 
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