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    Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 2:44am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012mkg5/The_Life_of_Muhammad_The_Seeker/
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In a ground-breaking first for British television, this three-part series presented by Rageh Omaar charts the life of Muhammad, a man who - for the billion and half Muslims across the globe - is the messenger and final prophet of God.

In a journey that is both literal and historical, and beginning in Muhammad's birthplace of Mecca, Omaar investigates the Arabia Muhammad was born into - a world of tribal loyalties and polytheistic religion.

Drawing on the expertise and comment of some of the world's leading academics and commentators on Islam, the programme examines Muhammad's first marriage to Khadijah and how he received the first of the revelations that had such a profound effect both on his life, and on the lives of those closest to him.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012rylw/The_Life_of_Muhammad_Holy_Wars/
 
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If I received a revelation would people believe me? Wink
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If you can turn my bottle of water into banana milkshake then we can talk!


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I'm focusing all my neural energy now.
 
Standby for water transmutation.
 
After the transmutation process is complete, I would suggest you ask MartYn Northall to test it first... just in case.
 
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Not if you had nothing to show for it. Wink
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What did he have to show for it?
 
How did he prove his "revelation" was a real message from god, rather than just something he claimed?
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The miracle of the message he preached, the actual content of the Qur'an, his character.  
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Is this the one Iran was making threats saying it was a twisted western view of their "peaceful religion"? ( only Iran could do pull doing that off )


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Originally posted by RAS RAS wrote:

If you can turn my bottle of water into banana milkshake then we can talk!



On a more believable topic i have never got why people like banana milkshake NEVER have i tasted one that tastes anything even close to a banana

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Originally posted by Flightboy Flightboy wrote:

Originally posted by RAS RAS wrote:

If you can turn my bottle of water into banana milkshake then we can talk!



On a more believable topic i have never got why people like banana milkshake NEVER have i tasted one that tastes anything even close to a banana

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i can honestly say i have had a banana milkshake that tasted like a banana but never came across a strawberry milkshake that tastes like strawberries! Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Odai Odai wrote:

The miracle of the message he preached, the actual content of the Qur'an, his character.  
 
What in the Qur'an, couldn't have come from the human imagination?
 
The message preached by Buddhists is rather impressive too - Buddha wasn't a god.
Lots of texts have impressive content - they don't profess to be from god.
Lots of human beings have good character.
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Originally posted by 767nutter 767nutter wrote:

Originally posted by Flightboy Flightboy wrote:

Originally posted by RAS RAS wrote:

If you can turn my bottle of water into banana milkshake then we can talk!
On a more believable topic i have never got why people like banana milkshake NEVER have i tasted one that tastes anything even close to a banana Flightshake

 

i can honestly say i have had a banana milkshake that tasted like a banana but never came across a strawberry milkshake that tastes like strawberries! Big%20smile


Ive done both. (mainly because I made them myself) [/thread derailment]
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It's true that most don't taste too much like a real banana. It is a nice taste in itself though. If they just called it Yellow Milk then I'd still drink it. 


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So nobodys made an actual banana milkshake, with real bananas?  Tastes pretty close! Smile
 
That Nesquik stuff, or however you spell it, that tastes like death. . .
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Can't beat a pint of icecream in a glass with some mashed up bananas.


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i dont like bits in my drinks Disapprove tho crusha strawberry i always think is pretty close taste wise esp when you use as much of it as i do Tongue

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What in the Qur'an, couldn't have come from the human imagination?
 
All of it. The verse, the rythm (why has Arabic been kept alive for so long?). The scientific, mathematical, numerical and historical miracles in the text. And the literary aspect of it.
 
That, and the perfection of the religion itself, the change it brought to man.  
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Sorry my friend, I wouldn't subscribe to your point of view.
 
What scientific, mathematical, numerical and historical miracles? What is so miraculous that it couldn't have come from the human brain?
 
 I see two possibilites...
 
a) A magical being that created the entire universe passed the information on to Muhammad.
 
b) Muhammad generated the content himself.
 
Which is most likely?
 
You sell your fellow species short. The brain: 100 billion neurones, more possible connections than elementary particles in the known universe, the most complicated arrangement of matter we know of... and easily capable of generating the content of the Qur'an. No need to summon up the intervention of a magical being.
 
Your religion tells you to believe this and religion is the required suspension of rational thought.
 
However, as a free thinking human being you are entitled to believe what you like, and I respect that right, above is just my viewpoint.
 
 
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By that reasoning then couldn't Feynman diagrams or the Dirac equation etc also be considered miraculous or divine, despite their agnosticism? 


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When Einstein said "God doesn't play dice", does he mean that nothing in the Universe is chance, or that God doesn't exist because things in nature happen randomly?

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