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Foxes would not instinctively rip a human apart, nor are they specifically bred to do so...
I'm just playing with Vulcan, since I specifically said in my first post "if the dogs don't finish the foxes and are shot instead?"

But it's interesting to note that on this forum people jump straight on their high horses, even though I never stated whether I was for or against fox hunting. It was only a question and yet not one answer
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Originally posted by Marmite Marmite wrote:

Originally posted by VulcanB2 VulcanB2 wrote:

So you think it is perfectly acceptable to allow dogs to rip another living creature apart and for it to endure great pain and suffering?

Let me spin this around - how would you feel if I let a few dogs loose on you, for fun?

I'm sure you're aware of other sports and human activities that are just as cruel!

That doesn't excuse fox hunting.

Even the Spanish are looking at banning bull fighting because of the cruelty!

Quote I'm just playing with Vulcan, since I specifically said in my first post "if the dogs don't finish the foxes and are shot instead?"

Not good enough! The poor thing has just been scared to death, chased, and ripped apart, and now has to endure it a bit longer whilst someone gets a gun to shoot it.

It is sick! Anyone who condones it needs a psych evaluation. Cruelty to animals is the first step on the road to murder.

http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=8011

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Quote But it's interesting to note that on this forum people jump straight on their high horses, even though I never stated whether I was for or against fox hunting.
 
What do you expect if you play games.
 
You had an opportunity when I asked you to say, "yes Martin, I was only kidding, I don't agree with fox hunting."
 
I give you the opportunity now.
 
Marmite, do you agree with Fox hunting? Yes or No?
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Originally posted by Marmite Marmite wrote:

Foxes would not instinctively rip a human apart, nor are they specifically bred to do so...
I'm just playing with Vulcan, since I specifically said in my first post "if the dogs don't finish the foxes and are shot instead?"

But it's interesting to note that on this forum people jump straight on their high horses, even though I never stated whether I was for or against fox hunting. It was only a question and yet not one answer
Except that virtually everyone would take...
 
Originally posted by Marmite Marmite wrote:

I'm not joking no, and this topic shouldn't go "there", just pointing out that not everyone agrees on everything
 
...as anything other than a joke and you stating that you were in favour of it.
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Well that's what happens when people make assumptions, they often assume wrong. I was asking a serious question and was expecting to get some kind of answer, alas everyone seems to be sharpening their pitchforks.
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Sorry if I (we) got the wrong idea, but that is how it reads.

I appreciate your point though.

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I give you the opportunity again.
 
Marmite, do you agree with Fox hunting? Yes or No?
 
We wouldn't want to get the wrong impression and sharpen our pitchforks. You can blunt the sharp pitchforks by answering the question and cear up all the confusion. Wink
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Did you not get your JustFlight Forums complimentary "cut out and keep" pitchfork with your sign-up email? Should have been under the "So, Global Warming, discuss...." bumper sticker
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Originally posted by Slopey Slopey wrote:

Did you not get your JustFlight Forums complimentary "cut out and keep" pitchfork with your sign-up email? Should have been under the "So, Global Warming, discuss...." bumper sticker

oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed oh how I laughed

For Fox Sake Stop Hunting !!

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Thanks Vulcan, I appreciate that you gave an answer.

@MartinW - what's with the confrontation all the time? I don't agree with fox hunting, nor am I dead against fox hunting, I eat meat and occasionally go fishing so it would be hypocritical of me to say it's wrong, when both can be considered just as cruel.

Anyway back on topic, I hear the Lib Dems are now dead set on opposing the NHS reform since the AV defeat.
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Quote @MartinW - what's with the confrontation all the time?
 
I will gladly answer your question. No confrontation what so ever Marmite.
 
You confused us all, so I'm giving you an opportunity to clarify.
 
So why are you NOT dead against fox hunting, given it's barbaric nature? Again, no confrontation, just interested. Smile
 
Quote I eat meat and occasionally go fishing so it would be hypocritical of me to say it's wrong, when both can be considered just as cruel.
 
Not really, the meat you eat is killed humanely. Foxes are killed inhumanely.
 
P.S. As the creator of the topic, I have no problem if it evolves into another form, a form that defends Mr Fox.
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Originally posted by Marmite Marmite wrote:

I don't agree with fox hunting, nor am I dead against fox hunting,
Not a valid answer... 
 
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I eat meat and occasionally go fishing so it would be hypocritical of me to say it's wrong, when both can be considered just as cruel.
There are degrees though. Livestock cattle should be slaughtered in a quick, painless, humane fashion - they are not chased down to the point of exhaustion whilst terrified with fear and then ripped apart whilst still alive.
 
Is it still cruel? Perhaps, in terms of the lifestyle some lead, and some livestock is not treated as well as others or condemed to short lives (suckling pig for example). Is it hypocritical? maybe, slightly, but we eat meat, we wouldn't be here today if we hadn't.
 
Fishing? Fishes suffocating before death? Again, different degrees. I'm no expert but how does the nervous system of a fish compare to a large mammal? Do they feel pain/fear/suffering? I don't know, tend to think not to anywhere near the same degree as a large mammal.
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I would think Marmite either bashes Mr Fish on the head, or puts him back in the water, with just a sore lip.
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...I take it "Mr Fish" is not a euphemism here Ermm
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Whatever would you be thinking to say that, Magic?

@Marmite: so you slightly agree it is OK for dogs to chase down a fox?

Regarding Clegg fighting the NHS reforms - ABOUT TIME! Maybe some good will come out of this election/referendum anyway. Maybe the Lib Dems have teeth after all!

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The barbaric ripping apart of foxes by dogs is cruel and I'm not for that, but foxes flushed to guns by dogs doesn't seem as barbaric so I have nothing against that form. As Magic said there are differing degrees, some are acceptable whereas others aren't.

Mr Fish doesn't get a sore head Wink oh how I laughed
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Quote The barbaric ripping apart of foxes by dogs is cruel and I'm not for that, but foxes flushed to guns by dogs doesn't seem as barbaric so I have nothing against that form.
 
So, you have nothing against terrified foxes being chased by crazed dogs, with heart bursting and lungs gasping for breath?
 
Culminating in a physically exhausted, psychologically tortured fox... being shot for fun by posh git's? 
 
Who in their right mind gets pleasure out of killing animals?
 
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Quote Who in their right mind gets pleasure out of killing animals?

Psychopaths and the mentally deranged.

Hunting for food is one thing, killing for fun is entirely another.

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Once again pointy we agree, you are my hero.
 
Our romance must commence immediately.
 
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