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Magic Man
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Is there a reason they decided to build these two nuclear stations right on the east coast of one of the most active quake areas in the world?
Couldn't they have kept them in the west which seems a lot quieter looking at the quake maps and protected from tsunamis? |
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That area in the north east has the lowest population density, hence why they're there. They cant be built in land as the terrain is quite mountainous. Although there are several nuclear plants on the west coast also.
When you have a small island, big mountains, large population, and limited natural resources, nuclear power is about your only option. |
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There are 50+ nuclear units in Japan, distributed across about 20 separate sites. About half of those sites are on their west coast. It's desirable to have power generation near where the consumption is for all kinds of reasons. Siting of new generating facilities, whether nuclear or not, is a balancing act of many factors; seismic vulnerability is only one item on a long list. By the way, as far as I know, the tsunami was not an issue for this plant. It was the earthquake itself that caused the problem, not inundation. |
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allardjd
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Power plants also require a heat sink, so copious quantities of water are required. Siting near coastlines or major rivers simplifies that immensely.
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According to news agencies in Japan, the cooling system at the no 2 plant has also failed: http://bit.ly/gxYpda
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More info coming from TEPCO
From http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031231-e.html So, cooling efforts underway with sea water and boric acid on the reactor which suffered the explosion, and venting to reduce pressure in the Daini plant - plus a dead worker in the exhaust stack! |
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Magic Man
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Cheers guys, didn't know they had that many.
Not looking good at the moment though. |
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MartinW
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The whole China Syndrome thing about the core melting through the bottom of the RX vessel and dropping to the floor as a molten blob is the stuff of The BBC must have got that wrong then. Richard Black must have been watching a rerun of the China syndrome. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12723092 By the way, as far as I know, the tsunami was not an issue for this plant. It was the earthquake itself that caused the problem, not inundation. It was the tsunami that caused the diesel backup generators to fail, so an issue in that sense. |
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allardjd
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Had not seen that. Source? |
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allardjd
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Yes, several things wrong in that article, pricipally half-truths that don't tell the whole story. The most obvious error is the diagram, which shows the turbines, generator, condenser and feed pump inside the "containment chamber". 'Tain't so, and was clearly done by someone with a very superficial understanding of the workings. The article also neglects the presence and role of boron in keeping the core sub-critical. Sufficient boron can shut the reactor down entirely, without the use of control rods at all. Nuclear safety systems provide exactly that capability. At my plant (a pressurized water reactor, not a BWR) that's how we started up - pulled the rods out with high boron concentration and then diluted to critical. The rods are quick-acting but the boron does the same thing, i.e. captures neutrons before they can fission another uranium nucleus.
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VulcanB2
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He is pro MMGW. Hardly good for his credibility.
Everywhere I read, it is a single loop design? i.e. the primary cooling loop also powers the turbines. http://www.nucleartourist.com/type/bwr.htm May find this interesting, too. Photos inside a plant. http://www.nucleartourist.com/areas/bwr-in1.htm Best regards, Vulcan. |
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allardjd
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That's correct, but the turbine-generator, main condenser and feed pumps are not located inside the containment as shown.
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Damn - now they are reporting the second reactor has lost its emergency cooling. They are evacuating 170,000 people.
Best regards, Vulcan. |
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VulcanB2
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I see - thanks for the clarification! I thought it was odd for it to be. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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MartinW
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He is pro MMGW. Hardly good for his credibility.
So are Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku, and most of the Brainy individuals on the planet! I'm mean they're hardly credible are they?
Eat my shorts conspiracy theorist, this threads not about one of your CT fetishes... yet!
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Stop derailing the thread. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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MartinW
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I was asking you not to.
Me personally though, I'm a moderator, I can derail what I like. Power hungry maniac that I am.
Listen, if I have to, Ill strap you to the wing of a Cessna, like we mentioned the other day.
I will you know? And drop you over Libya.
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allardjd
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BWRs also have multiple Recirculation loops. They are large pumps that draw water through the fuel region and pump it back into the RX vessel at a different point. There are no heat exchangers in those loops. Those play a role in RX power control too when the RX is critical. Those loops are entirely within the containment.
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MartinW
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Apparently the Japanese nuclear safety agency are saying up to 160 people may have been exposed to radiation. They don't say to what degree though.
It's worth remembering, that in addition to the crisis at the plant, they are also having to deal with repeated after shocks up to magnitude 6.
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160 was reported on the BBC News about 90 minutes to 2 hours ago.
An update: the measurements of 1000 times background radiation in the control room was *PRIOR* to the explosion. Source of the radiation is unknown at this time, and no reports are talking about it now. Is this the source of 160 people being exposed to high doses of radiation? There are unconfirmed reports now of a fire at a 3rd reactor. Here is an interesting drawing, showing the primary containment. Best regards, Vulcan. |
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