Israel Prepares To Strike Iran |
Post Reply | Page 123 4> |
Author | ||
VulcanB2
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 13365 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 1:07am |
|
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7465170.stm
Vulcan. |
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Sabre rattling!
However, I don't doubt for a second that they would attack.
|
||
Dambuster
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 3428 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Attack what? Nuclear reactors or civilians? Those Israelis better be more precise... if it's a reactor, why not? But if they're going to strike populated areas and kill people who aren't very pleased with their government already, the plan will be totally useless and of course will cause disgust among many organizations. By the way, wouldn't it be a mistake to strike Iran as they may have a few nuke head missiles ready to obliterate Israel???
Retarded claims if you asked me... |
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
They would be pinpoint strikes on nuclear facilities Dambuster. Just like they have before.
|
||
allardjd
Moderator in Command Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Location: Florida - USA Points: 4506 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
At Osirik (Iraq) the first two bombs made holes in the containment wall. The rest WENT THROUGH THE HOLES.
Iran doesn't have weapons yet. The fear that they will soon is the reason most of the world is so upset about Iran's enrichment activities. They haven't been operating thier centrifuge cascades long enough to be there yet, but in a few months....
Iran is playing a stalling game while the centrifuges twirl, every day getting closer to the needed amount. The UN fiddles and may likely continute to fiddle until Tel Aviv burns. It also takes some time to fabricate the weapon after the proper amount of fissile material is obtained, but getting the HEU is the first and most difficult step. The rest is childs play, comparitively speaking.
The enrichment operation is huge and not easily hidden. The rest reqires relatively little in the way of facilities or energy consumption so could be done very clandestinely.
|
||
VulcanB2
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 13365 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Now that's precision bombing! Best regards, Vulcan. |
||
Flightboy
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Location: Essex, UK Points: 7396 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Any guesses how long til they do attack? my guess 2010 you know its going to happen evetually!
flightboy |
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Well, hate to quote Bush, but his comment when interviewed on the BBC was something like... 'I have no problem with any nation seeking nuclear power, but when that nation openly threatens to destroy democracy in neighboring countries I do'. Not an exact quote, but something like that. You can't argue really, very understandable that the international community would be averse to a country like that having the means to construct nuclear weapons. Common sense not to let them really. |
||
Dambuster
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 3428 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I wouldn't feel safe with Israel, Pakistan and India having nukes...
|
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Errr... then you should be horrified at the prospect of Iran with nukes.
|
||
allardjd
Moderator in Command Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Location: Florida - USA Points: 4506 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
India and Pakistan, if they ever use them, will use them on each other. I can't see either of them "wasting" even one warhead elsewhere, as that would be one less for them to have for one another.
Israel will reserve hers for cases they perceive as a threat to their existance. They've fought a number of wars without them and did not use them on Iraq when Saddam's Scuds were falling on them. If they ever come to believe, however, that they are faced with the possibility of anihilation, I doubt they'd hesitate 15 minutes to use theirs.
I don't think any nation should be prevented from having nuclear POWER if they wish to, but if they begin dabbling in enrichment on the front end (Iran) or fuel reporocessing on the back end (North Korea), the prospect of a weapons program comes into the picture and that's where it begins to get frightening.
|
||
Dambuster
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 3428 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
My question is: Why isn't it a problem that India, Pakistan and Israel have nukes? They all seem quite primitive to me... no more advanced than the Iranian government. I just don't like any of them having nuclear weapons that's all, cause they aren't reliable.
|
||
VulcanB2
Chief Pilot Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Points: 13365 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Because they are using for what they're designed for - deterrent.
Iran has the will to actually use them for killing people. There's a big difference. Don't forget also that Iran is a dictatorship. Its people seem happy because of what they're told by state governed media etc.. but they're brutal to their population if they're even perceived to have broken the law. If a woman gets raped - she faces jail or even the death sentence for example! Don't think Iran is a nice place for one second. I'm sure the general populace are fine - it's always the people in power that are the problem. Best regards, Vulcan. |
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Not forgetting that |
||
allardjd
Moderator in Command Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Location: Florida - USA Points: 4506 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
A country that has them has pulled off a fiat accompli. How are you going to get India or Pakistan or Israel to give them up? Or Russia or China or France or Britain or North Korea or the US, for that matter.
The best you can do is prevent other countries from obtaining them. That's what the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is all about. Even the UN can see the sense in that.
If you listed all the countries that have nuclear weapons in order of the likelihood that they might use them and put Iran on the list, Iran would rank right at the top.
|
||
Odai
Chief Pilot Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: NW England Points: 3731 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Honestly, that is the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen. Are you being serious?
That's new, where did you hear that!?!?
I'd strongly suggest you actually do some research, rather than making non-justified comments and trying to bring them across as fact. Just type in "iran democracy" into google. Although no where near perfect, you'll be very surprised by what you see (going off what I've seen you write). I've watched interviews with Ahmadinejad, and the guy seems like an incredibly intelligent person. He has some very good perspectives on things.
Your media has exaggerated a lot of what you hear about him, and in general, Iran. I have no doubts that Iran will NOT go in and "obliterate" Israel (if it could). All Iran is doing is raising a very serious question, that should be taken into account. Should Israel as a state exist?
You immediately hear things like "Israel should be wiped off the map", and draw irrational conclusions. By the way, this is another media-fabricated bit of junk. He has never said this, he said something different (I can't remember what it was, something to do with history pages I think). If I were to tell you I believe Israel should cease to exist, how would you interpret that? Or a better example, how about if I told you Israel should be wiped off the map? Most people would think I would want not only the state to cease to exist, but it's people chucked out etc. One thing that really irritates me is how so many Israelis link the existance of Israel to their existance, it's rubbish. Israel is an artificially created state, nothing else. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said, all he wants is the peaceful, (swift?), dismantling of the zionist government. Nothing about killing anyone.
People should be willing to take Iran seriously, rather than automatically perceiving Iran as a threat. Following on from what I've said, I'm sure if you were to list what you know about Iranian politics/foreign policy etc, then I could say most of it would be junk. Most of you just don't know much about the situation, you should spend time trying to understand this, rather than (from what I can see), drawing conclusions from you see on the media. I have to say I'm ALWAYS astonished how little people know about the situation. Normally, the most people would know is what they seen on their TV screens etc.
|
||
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
|
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
His threat to 'wipe I've watched interviews with Ahmadinejad, and the guy seems like an incredibly intelligent person. He has some very good perspectives on things. Strange he does such a good job of poking a stick at the west and You would think he would make less ambiguous speeches if he were intelligent. An intelligent man wouldn't leave them open for interpretation. After all it’s not difficult to express your self is it? People should be willing to take How can we not perceive them as a threat when they insist on progressing their nuclear ambitions? While at the same time funding terrorism and making 'ambiguous [some would say] speeches, and statements that could be interpreted as threats. |
||
Rich
Just Flight Staff Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth Points: 8543 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I actually agree with Odai to a large degree. If you look into all the stuff that goes on away from the news then in a lot of ways he is a pretty progressive and moderate president, for that region anyway and certainly an intelligent person who genuinely has the best interests of his people at heart.
But, and this is a pretty big but. He has previously made it known that he is a holocaust denier which along with the "wipe Israel off the map" comments certainly does influence how his words can be interpreted. |
||
MartinW
Moderator in Command Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Points: 26722 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
This is the nation we are taliking about...
The way I understand it is that Ahmadinejad only wields as much power as the Ayatollah gives him.
Considering the sort of nation we are talking about, and the unswerving commitment to uranium enrichment, it's not surprising that Israel and the west are somewhat perturbed by Iran.
The bit in blue should concern Odai I would have thought.
|
||
Odai
Chief Pilot Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: NW England Points: 3731 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Martin, where did you get that article from? I won't comment until I know the source.
Also, when I called Ahmadinejad's comment on wiping Israel off the map "misinterpreted", I was speaking literally. The media made a mess of translating that comment, it was something else. If I could find it I would post it. It would have been interpreted in a much less sinister way, I assure you.
Martin, I agree with you in saying some of his speeches are somewhat ambiguous. However, he has made very clear exactly what he believes is right, presumably incase people misinterpret. As I said before, he has told everyone he wants the peaceful dismantling of the state of Israel. Not many ways of interpreting that.
If the west is supposedly concerned about Iran, why is no one voicing concern over Israel!??! It boggles the mind to think nobody cares what Israel does, whilst they're going crazy over Iran. Do you have any idea what Israel does to the Palestinian people?
I'd be much more afraid of Israel using nukes than Iran.
|
||
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
|
||
Post Reply | Page 123 4> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |