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Odai
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Actually, I've found apples and oranges taste very good together.
I'll show myself out.
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ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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VulcanB2
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Can you elaborate without naming names as to how this might happen? Best regards, Vulcan. |
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Slopey
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Not without getting into trouble most likely. But there are groundswells of support in the healthcare, transport and education industries.
When the cost cutting starts, they'll object, and that means withdrawing labor. Many of the other unions are being lined up in sympathy. Also, there's an election/leadership contest coming for Unite. Anyone seen Tony Woodley since the Unite strike of BA was completely in-effectual? No? What a surprise. He was raining fire and brimstone on BA regarding strikes which didn't work. He now has to "vanish" and let the BASSA people take the blame for BA while he works towards becoming leader of Unite. Currently, there's more than one leader of Unite, and they can't even stand to be in the same room as each other - that's the mentality. |
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roachy
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So then... to all you people who voted Lib Dem...
Did your party twist the knife around when they stabbed you in the back with it?
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MartinW
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[quote=Slopey]Suit yourself.[quote]
Indeed, everything in the world doesn't happen on the Internet, but rather a lot does, and if such a union conspiracy was a reality, I would expect there to be something about it on the Internet. Therefore, as you can't provide any evidence whatsoever, I'll just regard it as... ''something you said.''
You are indeed, a man of mystery Slopey, with your secret sources and James Bond lifestyle.
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MartinW
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No idea what you mean Luke, no deal has yet been formalized, no details of a possible deal released. So not sure how you can make that comment.
If the Lib Dem's and Conservatives do form a full coalition, which according to recent reports seems likely, then it will be the only option available, that is if you want some kind of a government to run this country.
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Slopey
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It's not the only option, a minority Tory government would also be an option. It's the preferable option, especially if it has a fixed term agreed. |
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VulcanB2
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They're talking 3-4 years according to reports on the radio. Best regards, Vulcan |
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Marmite
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Doesn't seem overly democratic that the fate of the UK lies in the hands of the smallest of the 3 mainstream parties
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Slopey
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Job done. Happy New Prime Minister day!!!
Now they just have to get the coalition past the Lib Dem Exec Council/Party. |
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CaptCosslett
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I agree, Happy New Prime Minister Day!!! Yey Yey
Yes, I think it will get past the Lib Dem Exec Council, no backing out now!
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MartinW
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Clegg is deputy PM, so subordinate, in other words Cameron is boss and Clegg does as he's told.
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MartinW
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· There will be a "significant acceleration" of efforts to reduce the budget deficit - including £6bn of spending reductions this year. An emergency Budget will take place within 50 days · Plans for five-year, fixed-term parliaments, meaning the next election would not take place until May 2015 · The Lib Dems have agreed to drop plans for a "mansion tax" on properties costing more than £2m, while the Conservatives have ditched their pledge to raise the inheritance tax threshold to £1m · The new administration will srubbish part of Labour's planned rise in National Insurance and will work towards raising income tax thresholds for lower earners · A pledge to have a referendum on any further transfer of powers to the EU and a commitment from the Lib Dems not to adopt the euro for the lifetime of the next Parliament · The Lib Dems have agreed to Tory proposals for a cap on non-EU migration · The Conseratives will recognise marriage in the tax system, but Lib Dems will abstain in Commons vote · The Lib Dems will drop opposition to a replacement for Britain's Trident nuclear missiles but the programme will be scrutinised for value for money · There will be a referendum on moving to the Alternative Vote system and enhanced "pupil premium" for deprived children as Lib Dems demanded |
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767nutter
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Watched the press conference earlier on BBC One and i must say i was impressed. Cameron and Clegg spoke and answered questions equally together, Cameron didnt take all the limelight or only let Clegg speak when he found a question a struggle to answer. They both had equal time to speak and there was no sense of hostility between the two.
suppose there is a slim chance that Nick Clegg can talk some sense into Cameron, as he's his deputy. But more likely Cameron's arrogance will reign, and the coalition will fail, pronto.
Clegg is deputy PM, so subordinate, in other words Cameron is boss and Clegg does as he's told.
To be honest i think it may work, if not i still think it may go past a year. |
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MartinW
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Oh yes, well of course, they are hardly likely to be anything else than bosom buddies at the moment.
Lets see if you are saying that in 12 months time. Clegg is not the PM. The PM will ultimately call the shots, Clegg will be annoyed, his Liberal Democrat colleges around the cabinet table will support him, and the whole coalition will be a farce.
Or, they will get on swimmingly, Cameron isn't as arrogant as I thought, he will set aside party politics for the sake of the country, he and Clegg will fall in love, and the cow will jump over the moon.
To be honest i think it may work, if not i still think it may go past a year.
A year yes, maybe. Who knows, most political commentators will be very dubious I would have thought though. Just picture the goings on in the commons, and the back stabbing and egos that are always involved in politics. Liberal Democrat, party members will no doubt be irritated, as the Conservatives settle in and start pushing ''their'' policies more agresively. At which time, the antagonism between them will take it's toll.
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roachy
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Ah how things change in just one day! For the first time in my life I've also contracted an eye infection this morning, so I'm blaming it on all the slime coming from No. 10 at the moment
Like Slopey said, a Conservative minority government would also be an option and I think it'd work better than the current coalition - I don't like the idea of a Conservative government one bit but I think that there are going to be more inefficiencies than benefits from the current setup, especially as Clegg is now in a non-job (well, almost) and most of the cabinet are Tory.
Also, I'd think that there will be another election within two years, which would absolutely cripple the chances for Lib Dem and make it hard for Labour because both parties have naff all money to campaign with. The Tories on the other hand have Ashcroft's almost unlimited pot of (metaphoric) gold to dig into: all they need to do is campaign the hell out of all the marginal constituencies out there and they'll win by default. As well as that, because they'll have only been in for such a short term before this next election is called I'd be very surprised if any blue constituencies turn: the government won't have been in long enough to cause any discontent from their misguided economic and/or social policies.
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roachy
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In all seriousness the deputy PM does pretty much nothing apart from the two weeks or so when the real PM is on holiday. But Clegg has been so quick to jump into bed with the Tories something tells me all he really wants is a title and to pretend he has some sort of power - rather than wanting to try and really give the country a fresh start.
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Luke Roach
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roachy
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What's the difference between the Tory coalition and IKEA?
... IKEA can made half decent cabinets
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Luke Roach
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MartinW
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Like Slopey said, a Conservative minority government would also be an option and I think it'd work better than the current coalition
Seriously doubt that Luke. I am dubious that the coalition will last, as Liberal and Conservative ideology is often diametrically opposed... however, a Conservative only option would have been untenable. They wouldn't have been able to pass any law, without a big enough majority.
agree with much of the rest of your post. And a damn fine joke.
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MartinW
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Yep, it does seem to smack of... ''good grief lads, for the first time in many decades we have a chance of a semblance of power, grab it quick while we can.''
On the other hand, they had little choice.
The Conseravitve only option would have been a disater, as they didn't have a big enough majority to form an effective government, and labour [according to senior sorces in the party] seemed not to be interested in a deal from the begging of the negotiations.
I'm sure Gordon was, but others in his party, senior negotiator,s weren't. Hence, it was destined to fail. Leaving Lib Dem only one option remaining, if the country was to have an effective government at all.
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