Obama Cancels "Return to the Moon" |
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Flightboy
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"They were broke you idiot"
"You are, quite aptly, a lunatic" "You have serious psychological issues" "Vulcan you are irrational. I sometimes think you do this for attention. You are profoundly insecure" I thought personal insults were against the rules? Sad when you have to sink to name calling tho if its allowed now that would be a bonus! The real question, is that if Obama canceled the trip to
the moon because it was all fake the first time, and too hard to get
there... why then did Bush say we would go back in the first place?
As stated before its a good way of moving billions about without having to explain in detail whats been spent where. NASA is a nice front for such needs
care to tell us how they manged to construct a vacuum chamber as big as a film studio? surley that would be easier than getting man to the moon? and alot quicker? Not saying they had too of course Care to tell us how they kept quiet the thousands of personnel that would have been involved?
There is 7 levels of secuirty above president obamas so not everyone has to know everything ( as has been stated ) care to tell us how the Russians were fooled by this conspiracy?
Apart from it already stated already there was no way the russians were able to track the deep space that would have been needed to see the moon landings had the russians said that the moon landings were a hoax in the cold war what do you think the world would have said? you would either take the crazy russains proof or the americans care to answer any of the other objections to your lunacy? Your "retarded" comment was not only offensive but inaccurate. I would rather have something that questions what they are being told rather than someone who just has the one source of infomation and believes it all. More fool you Spaceboy |
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Magic Man
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Flighty, your late to the party, please, just leave it there before you end up making a fool of yourself.
We've been here before with Vulcan, 19th June last year actually (http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8114&KW=moon+landing&PN=1), same stuff, same irrational arguments, same conclusions.
Actually, one interesting point was this from one contributor who seemed to remember a previous discussion on the same subject, he said this after viewing that same video posted by Martin comparing the feather and hammer, suggesting he did believe we went there after all..
Care to take a guess who said that...?
Yep, strange eh... No, not really, just the exact same behaviour some of us have come to expect from our little friend.
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Flightboy
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Just because he has a very up front in your face way of putting his point across dosnt make him wrong :) Flightboy |
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Magic Man
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He is wrong.
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MartinW
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Just because he has a very up front in your face way of putting his point across dosnt make him wrong :)
Indeed, but as magic said, he is wrong. The fact that he's wrong, makes him wrong.
Vulcan is enough to drive a saint to [mild] personal insults. You of course agree with Vulcan because you have demonstrated many times that you share the same cerebral configuration.
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Right, read this lot, and hopefully we will put an end to this nonsense...
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MartinW
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Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad with the unmanned Surveyor 3, which landed on the Moon in 1967. Parts of Surveyor were brought back to Earth by Apollo 12. The camera (near Conrad's right hand) is on display at the National Air and Space Museum. Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings is evidence or analysis of
Surveyor 3 camera brought back from the Moon by Apollo 12, on display at the National Air and Space Museum Paul Maley reports several sightings of the Apollo 12 Command Module.[32] |
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MartinW
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Apollo 8
Main article: Apollo 8
[edit] Apollo 10
Main article: Apollo 10
[edit] Apollo 11
Main article: Apollo 11
[edit] Apollo 12
Main article: Apollo 12 |
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Flightboy
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Why do people put so much faith in wikipedia now days! and i could continue martin but we been here before and i been resisting saying all sorts to everyone this year and im gonna just stay shhhh
You believe the goverments and one source agencys ill always think on it Flightmoon |
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Magic Man
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No, please do continue if you still refute this, don't back away if you still believe it was a hoax, especially so after all the work Martin put in above. You need to show evidence to the contrary, evidence that proves the moon landings were a fake otherwise you're a nut, plain and simple.
For example, how did they get the three astronauts back into the return capsule ready to be picked up at sea? Vulcan ascertains that only a small handful of people 'know the truth' - I listed groups that would be well aware of any hoax earlier, groups of people that would take the count considerably above a small handful. I was looking at only the takeoff - what about the return to Earth?
And, again, I want a moon hoax advocate to explain to me what Apollo 13 was all about, not from the angle of flagging audience interest but from the point of view of everything that happened on that mission.
I already hear the tumbleweeds from Vulcan's direction...
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Rich
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Give it up Magic. You are trying to convert believers. Its no different than trying to convince a person of faith that there is no god. It is their belief and nothing you can do will ever change that. You could put them in a rocket, send them to the Moon and land them next to the lunar module and they will just claim that it was placed there ahead of their visit to try to fool them.
There really isn't much difference between a religious person and a serial CT theorist. They both have an unshakable belief in a hidden higher power that watches and controls peoples actions. Just in their case it's a force for evil instead of good - an Anti-Faith if you will. Just look at the way the discussions progress: "Why haven't the Japanese seen the landing sites" - They have - "Nope, I still believe in the conspiracy". "It's impossible to go to the Moon because of the radiation" - No it's not - "Nope, I still believe in the conspiracy". "The Russians couldn't track the mission" - they could - "Nope, I still believe in the Waste of time trying to convince them - they are "believers"... |
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Magic Man
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@RAS, yep, you're right. They're too far gone...
@FSaddict, thanks for the link, good site
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MartinW
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Available from multiple independent sources, not just Wiki. What do you think the multitude of individuals were tracking, figments of their imagination?
You believe the goverments and one source agencys ill always think on it
Nope! We believe in evidence, common sense and logic.
Rather than invented scenarios that have no basis in fact and are easily proven false. Like your ''they can't track them'' nonsense.
I think that just about sums them up perfectly. And they wonder why some of us are driven to comment on their sanity.
Don't worry lads, Pointy and Flightboy will be back in a few months with the same stuff, like any fanatic. They need this stuff, it gives their lives meaning.
It's like a drug, a form of addiction. The same mind-set that draws people to cults.
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FSaddict
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Taken from clavius's "Why a conspiracy" page
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Flightboy
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Not that i have to prove anything to the bandwagon
""the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972" Track yes but not the apollo mission to the moon In 2009, a poll conducted by the British Engineering & Technology magazine found that 25% of Britons do not believe that humans have walked on the Moon. Similarly, 25% of Americans between the age of 18 and 25 are not sure the landings happened Alot of "nuts" like i said i would rather people that question than just follow blindly As RAS said earlier its like me trying to make you beleive in god some things just arnt worth the effort. Go and see your "moon rock" which has no accountability Flightboy |
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MartinW
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""the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972"
Track yes but not the apollo mission to the moon I think you're like Pointy, ignore anything posted that counters your argument.
See below: Now huge and multicolored.
Not to mention the plethora of amateur and professional astronomers that witnessed the events. All posted above, which you ignore.
It wouldn't even have been necessary to track Apollo all the way to the moon. Part of the way would have been enough. Simply because travel to the moon relies on inertia, by the time they leave the earths orbit, they have to be traveling at sufficient velocity, if not, they would never return. So once on their way, at sufficient velocity, they have to travel to the moon to be able to return to Earth.
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MartinW
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In 2009, a poll conducted by the British Engineering & Technology magazine found that 25% of Britons do not believe that humans have walked on the Moon. Similarly, 25% of Americans between the age of 18 and 25 are not sure the landings happened
Doesn't surprise me in the least, the average level of intelligence in the general population is low. Doesn't surprise me because they don't have the capability to reason logically and have no grasp of basic scientific principles. A vast number of individuals are also highly gullible, believing anything without proof.
As RAS said earlier its like me trying to make you beleive in god
Exactly! There is no evidence for the existence of god at all, it depnds on faith, blind faith with no proof to back it up... precisely why you belief the moon landings were faked. You believe with no basis for that believe, no way to proof it, no proof whatsoever. If you wish to spend your life beliveing in concepts with zero evidence so be it.
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Magic Man
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Pointy seems quiet...? Or has he forgotten all about this again until the next time...
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VulcanB2
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I'm here. Busy.
Vulcan. |
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VulcanB2
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I'd agree. It wasn't clear. Vulcan. |
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